Big try at gravity wheel

[MarkE]

MarkE,

Yep,, now the vertical weight does not offer enough resistance to the horizontal weight so gravity can and does accelerate the system,, so the momentum is the storage of the non-resisted force from gravity interacting with the weight.  As I said, I can get it to stop after 45 degrees of rotation,, but I use another lever and weight to balance those forces and end up with a VERY slow rotation.

No that doesn't work.  If you think it does, build a scale model.

I called these play toys my "balancing levers",, I used gears in them as well, many different variations.

Now, on the end of the I\O port for the system, attach a pneumatic ram.  Now take that ram and use something as simple as a cam gear, ala TK's pic in the other thread.

At this point, everyone else can see that the volume ratio can be changed readily, it can be changed to the point where the resistance from the low pressure cylinder can match the available force from the high pressure cylinder.

It seems that you still do not comprehend the physics.  A pendulum can swing end to end (ideal case), just as a resonant circuit can swing voltage end to end and current end to end (also ideal case) because in each the energy is completely transformed from one form to another and then back.  That is the necessary trick.  Arms, levers and gears won't do that for you.  They don't transform energy into another form, they translate potential energy.

This change, the one by using an external device, breaks the special condition that your argument is based on.

This is in no way a "gain", it is a reduction in loss.  This only allows for the usage of the stored potential within the cylinder in an effective fashion.

You have yet to describe any viable means for reducing the loss.

This in no way violates CoE.

Of course it doesn't.  It's lossy, just like the ZED is lossy.  The best dual cylinder scheme is no dual cylinder scheme just as the best ZED is no ZED at all.

This abides by the laws of levers,, or whatever you actually call it.

"The laws of levers?"  Are you serious?

There are many ways of setting this external device up, depends on what is actually wanted and or needed, so a cam gear, a series of stepped pistons,, many variations.  A lot of these variations are used in the real world, the lifters in a car engine, hydraulic suspensions,, some ant-lock brake systems,, even the jaws of life,, a piston on a lever,, who would of figured.

You are simply demonstrating that you do not get the physics.  As long as the energy is stored as potential, which is all that:  levers, pistons, gears, pulleys, springs etc can do for you then you are stuck with the losses I have shown.  So instead of these combinations of cylinders creating some window to cheat gravity, they just lose energy to heat.  You can make the machinery more and more complicated and never do better than never having the second cylinder in the first place.  And if you don't do something to convert the energy from potential energy into another form and back, you are stuck with the huge losses I have shown. 

[TinselKoala]

Is the zed perhaps a hydropneumatic version of this?
http://www.lkgoodwin.com/more_info/palletpal_automatic_level_loader/palletpal_automatic_level_loader.shtml

[orbut 3000]

No, it's a overcomplicated and very inefficient version of this:

[MarkE]

No, it's a overcomplicated and very inefficient version of this:

The handle is extra.

[TinselKoala]

Thank you, that cheered me up considerably.