Big try at gravity wheel

[mrwayne]

Bump. This took a lot of work on Powercat's part, because Travis has removed the old newsletters from his re-designed websites. I imagine his lawyers read him the riot act over making so many clear claims that he could not support with evidence.
Maybe Travis doesn't realize that the internet never forgets.

No Geppetto,

You removed the title "Current Objectives" and replace them with "Promise" - and ignored the context - that was a lot of effort.

Again, Sorry for the wasted effort........

Should have just called and asked, I gave you my phone number.

The truth - doesn't fit your creative narrative.

Wayne

[MarkE]

MarkE,

Where are the numbers.

Exactly webby:  Where are YOUR NUMBERS?  Remember this is your claimed scheme.  You are the one who promised to show it four weeks ago.  And to this day all that we have from you is hand waving.  So please: live up to YOUR PROMISE and show your work.

If all things remain as potentials then what work was done for any loss to happen.

That is a completely ignorant question, especially since the losses have been shown for weeks.

Work is force over distance,

No, work is the integral of force applied through a distance IE it is the integral of F*ds.

just in case you forgot, the available work from the stored energy in the lifted vessel is returned with a specific force curve and that happens over a distance, that means by DEFINITION that I can interact with that work and convert it into the same amount of work but with a different force curve.

No that is bull shit as has been shown.  Just because one stores energy in a potential does not mean that a large portion of that energy is not lost when changing how the energy is distributed.  That there are large losses when moving energy from one potential store to another potential store through a force gradient has been proven many times in many disciplines.  Springs, capacitors, weights, hydro dams they all are subject to the same issue that the integral of s*ds is proportional to the square of s.  Divide s into n equal parts, and the result is:  0.5*n*(s/n)² = 0.5*s²/n.

It takes work to move the air into the next vessel, there is work available from the lifted vessel.

I have stated this many times in different ways MarkE, so why is it that you say I have not.

You have waved your hands around making the same false assertion over and over again.  I have shown you the specific physics and supporting math that falsifies your assertion.  You have failed to show a single case where your assertion is correct.

[mondrasek]

Mondrasek, webby's stated scheme shuffles "air", actually displaces water between two submerged volumes.  The process is lossy for the reasons I have already repeated numerous times.  They are the same reasons that the transition from State 2 to State 3 in your example loses stored energy.

Sorry MarkE, I was referring to the photos of the physical test system that webby1 has posted the pictures of.  Those pictures are of a physical model of a representative multi layer ZED.

I apologize if I misunderstood your post to be referring to the previous air transfer system that webby1 has tried to use to explain how he began to understand the interactions of the model he recently posted pictures of.

[TinselKoala]

No Geppetto,

You removed the title "Current Objectives" and replace them with "Promise" - and ignored the context - that was a lot of effort.

Again, Sorry for the wasted effort........

Should have just called and asked, I gave you my phone number.

The truth - doesn't fit your creative narrative.

Wayne

To the contrary, Pinocchio . You said you could do something that you cannot do. And now you admit that your "objectives not met" apparently include being able to build what you said you already had built, years ago.

Watch out, someone might sharpen that growing pencil nose of yours.

[Newton II]

I think the whole problem can be solved by making it an impact system using a pressure relief valve.  You have to set the relief valve in such a way that it opens when the cylinder reaches  bottom of the container where pressure is maximum. When pressure relief valve opens,  the air inside the cylinder comes out with tremendous force pushing the cylinder up in opposite direction due to sudden impact. 

Sudden impacts (impulse) can sometimes cause miracles!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_valve