Big try at gravity wheel

[MarkE]

MarkE,

So now you are saying that levers do not work as well??

So pressurized fluids interacting with something gives up 1\2 the potential, that is interesting and this is what you keep claiming.


Anything that is stored can loose all of its potential, but that does not mean that it has to,, so keep on inferring that it does because it can.

You have presented a lot of interesting information and techniques.  I am actually finding the journey entertaining in that it is pushing me back to using formulas and considering all of the components within and around a system of interaction.

An apple falls, work is done, when it hits your head,, well that is no fun.

Are you trying to slay men of straw again webby?  How sad for you.  Anytime you like draw up a mechanism and show an analysis of it that gets that "air" from the RH cylinder to the LH cylinder without a lot of loss.

[MarkE]

I think the whole problem can be solved by making it an impact system using a pressure relief valve.  You have to set the relief valve in such a way that it opens when the cylinder reaches  bottom of the container where pressure is maximum. When pressure relief valve opens,  the air inside the cylinder comes out with tremendous force pushing the cylinder up in opposite direction due to sudden impact. 

Sudden impacts (impulse) can sometimes cause miracles!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_valve

That doesn't work either, but you are getting closer.

[Marsing]

Right now I am wondering why there is more energy stored within the ZED at the end of sate 3 than there was at the start of state 2.

that is 3.412mj
to       3.963mj

Don't mind me I am just checking your work

To be honest looking at stuff like that is impressive, people who can do that stuff are interesting,, to bad all that vitriol goes along with it with you.

I wonder if TK remembers that massive error he made in the first thread,, the fluid is not shared,, I wonder if he can remember that and then go over things with the corrected view,, I doubt it.

webby why you don't  question  state0 and state3,

stored energy at state0 = 0.000 mJ
stored energy at state3 = 3.963 mJ

lol

[TinselKoala]

"Massive"... is that supposed to be some kind of a pun?
You are forgetting something, Webby, and that is that no amount of long distance analysis pro or con, right or wrong, can change the FACT that Travis has no self-running system, he has nothing that DOES IN FACT emit more energy in any form than it takes to operate it, and there is NO self runner in Travis's show or anywhere else. Associated with that is the FACT that it is not up to me to disprove your claims or Travis's. Guess whose responsibility it actually is.
You see, the claimant can _always_ claim that the negative result of the analysts is due to "massive" errors, because the claimant _never_ fully specifies the initial conditions properly.

[conradelektro]

This thread has deteriorated into a mrwayne revival and I want to bring it back to topic.

There are a few new texts and images on the web site http://www.rarenergia.com.br/ (at the end of this extremely long page)

We have a small machine for experience and testing in our headquarter at Av.  Pedro
Ivo,933. The mechanic system was created under a special conception, to pick up  and
take the energy contained in the planet gravity, at any moment and place,  without
pollution or heat. Technology was completely  developed by our Company and consists
in a continuous movement with some extra energy that can be taken, in a  continuous
and perpetual mechanic movement. This equipment is similar to a combustion  engine,
where a set of weights represent the fuel and pistons that activate assemblies  connected
to a crankshaft. Another similar equipment will be built in the U.S.A. at the  Incobrasa
Industries Ltd plant, a Company of the group, located in Gilman, IL.  Both equipment
are demonstration models with capacity to generate 30 KW, and will be ready in  the
middle of the next year. The technique allows the building of great power generators.

Finally, we would like to affirm that there is  no doubt about the existence of energy in the Earth's gravity and we can  capture and make use of this energy for any activities we choose, and that does  not oppose laws of thermodynamic or any other scientific principle that we know.

This last sentence is followed by five images (apparently from an old book in Portuguese) which are presented as proof that energy can be extracted from gravity.

May be there are people in this forum who can read (understand) these five pages. I would like to know what sort of proof that is?

The last photo was from February 2014 (Gilman, Illinois).

Greetings,

Conrad