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Started by schuler, May 13, 2013, 09:19:51 AM

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TinselKoala

No, a pendulum (child on swing) is NOT an "energy amplifier". It stores the energy you put into it by pushing, small increments at the resonant frequency, and can build up large amplitudes representing large amounts of _stored energy_. And it can release that stored energy at a greater rate than it was put in, briefly ... hence it is a _power amplifier_. But it can only release the same amount of energy that was put into it in the first place (minus losses). If you try to take energy out faster than it is being replaced, the amplitude of the swing goes down.

Same with the Milkovic pendulums, which are essentially heavy pendulum energy storage devices. Like flywheels, except oscillating instead of rotating, and hence able to make use of resonant pumping to build up a high degree of energy _storage_. But what comes out is only what was put in, in the first place. It can come out faster than it was put in (power amplification) but there is nothing created, no free lunch, and the pendulum's motion will stop if it is not constantly replenished by those little pushes at its resonant frequency.

No, Kapanadze has never allowed real comprehensive testing of any of his apparatuses. Like some other claimants, he suffers from violation of "conservation of miracles", in that he has too many miraculous devices to be believed. There is only one thing preventing proper evaluation, and full scientific credibility, of his creations, and that is his own attitude. Besides... if he really had anything of significance that actually _worked as claimed_... wouldn't the CIA/KGB/Mossad agents of Big Oil have suppressed him by now?

And the Finsrud machine is a clever work of art, not any kind of self running perpetual motion machine. The longest it has ever run without being "reset" is 14 days. it contains large springs and heavy weights (Look at the center of the mechanism) and runs by an escapement mechanism that extracts a tiny bit of stored energy every time the ball runs around the tilting track, to keep the ball going and the track tilting. It is essentially a clockwork.  That's why it's in an _art museum_ instead of being examined by every engineering graduate student in Europe to find out its "operating principle"... because that principle has been known for hundreds of years: the escapement mechanism slowly metering out stored energy from springs and/or weights.

Red_Sunset

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on May 17, 2015, 03:15:06 AM
Take a 30 Kg weight (or heavier) and then throw it over two meters into the air. Do this all two seconds. Can you?
Yes, you can! Without much effort! However you have to use the energy amplifying effect of a pendulum!
One more physics lesson. :)
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Kapanadze has done this with his electric two-stage oscillator multiple times. Scientific conclusion: It has to be all a fake. :(

Zeit,
You are jumping around like a Bee looking for the sticky stuff.  You can not look at inventions in an perceptive or emotional charged way, and consider that the proof.  Consider the middle age war machine "Trebuchet", an astonishing slingshot,  it must be overunity is a leap of faith even for a believer in the faith.
You need to approach the topic in a more pragmatic and methodical.
Take Kapanadze, don't know too much about it, so I am not the person to make technical comments, but one thing is for sure, if it can do what he says, and with replications abound, devices like this would be spreading like wildfire. No big oil would be able to stop it.  The same for Milkovic. 
Consider also the OU business aspect, that you do not need the real thing !   Money can ALSO be made having a NEAR OVERUNITY project or device,  money can be made on promise & hope, like venture capitalism or in a religious context where the church promises you heaven so long you contribute to the cause. Everybody is happy because everybody is getting their perceived dues and so does the preacher.

Also consider the following underlying essence of OU in the conventional context would be,  the question of " are we able to deceive nature ?"  if yes !, THAT WOULD IMPLY " that nature can be tricked ??".  Stand still and think about that implication for a moment.
If we can trick nature to believe something that isn't exactly reality,  then we are entering the area of the magic and magicians. Chris Angel's territory (not to be confused with his name associate Chris (EMJunkie in "partnered output coils")  who is doing also an illusionist performance in that tread.)

The magic act of circumventing nature is the first step required to enter the OU domain..... Possible ?? who knows, we do search.
Is this forum the area where sane & intelligent people hang out ??? Questionable !

Do your homework, and you might find what you searching for.

Red_Sunset


MarkE

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on May 17, 2015, 03:15:06 AM
Take a 30 Kg weight (or heavier) and then throw it over two meters into the air. Do this all two seconds. Can you?

Yes, you can! Without much effort! However you have to use the energy amplifying effect of a pendulum!

One more physics lesson. :)
Pendula store energy.  They do not amplify it.

Zeitmaschine

Quote from: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 04:49:04 AM
Pendula store energy.  They do not amplify it.

Exactly!

There you have it! The swing is only one oscillator stage. The second one is there but not visible. It is the oscillating force that puts strain on the rack and could even destroy it, if the rack is structurally too weak. Hence, since the pendulum stores the input energy (except losses due to friction) then which energy could eventually cause the destruction of the rack? Hmmm ... ???

And since I'm very patient, I'm still waiting for a scientific explanation of this:

Zeitmaschine

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 17, 2015, 04:41:16 AM
the question of " are we able to deceive nature ?"  if yes !, THAT WOULD IMPLY " that nature can be tricked ??".

Yes, nature can be tricked! See the use of nuclear power. There is no natural process on Earth that produces energy by merging atomic nuclei. :)