Understanding overunity

[Low-Q]

Some claims there is hard to understand something one haven't achieved yet - over unity. However, it can be explained pretty simple.
Getting 2 litres of water out of a 1 litre bottle.


Well...

The laws are OK. The output energy is allways the same as the input energy. This can be demonstrated in a million ways. However, not all output energy that is transferred is useful for the device we want to power. It is the relationship between useful output energy and input energy that determins the efficiency. Some of the energy is used to power other things such as friction, neccessary equipment, and other things that is not doing useful work.
If we can use ALL the output energy, the efficiency is 1 (or 100%).



So, input = output. Output = input.


Output > or < input are false statements.


We can define energy as a result of a process that is going from a higher to a lower state. This is instability and can be an imbalance between two potentials. One potential larger than the other makes the total potential difference between them. It is not possible to have more potential energy between them than that.


Example:
One weight at 1 Newton are 1 meter above ground. The difference in potential energy between the ground and the weight is 1 Joule. This initial difference is the total available potential input energy. Now, release the weight and let it fall 1 meter into the ground. The total energy that is released is 1 Joule. This is the output energy. Why? Because there was 1 Joule potential energy available.


Now, imagine how you can increase the output energy to more than 1 Joule without changing the initial potential; 1 Newton at 1 meter above ground; 1 Joule.
In other words: Increase both weight and hight without increasing them. Is that possible?


This can be translated into electronics, magnetism, whatever. There is a given potential energy, amount of stuff, available. When this potential is emty, there is no potential or stuff left. Thus, there will not be possible to get more energy or stuff out when the potential or stuff is emty.


It is not possible to poor 2 litres of water out of a 1 litre bottle.  Figuratively speaking, OU seekers tries to poore 1 litre of water through different paths, through great complexity, and hope that there will be 2 litres of water that comes out in the other end. Can you do that?


This is how over unity can be understood from my point of view.


Vidar

[forest]

WRONG! Overunity is much like the releasing of hidden , previously not available HUGE potential energy ! Something like nuclear power but ( I hope so) in harmony with nature. This is your and everybody problem - it's not about laws of physics which are fine and steady. It's about the wheelwork of nature already working around us. Instead of dig for oil having this energy STORED inside chemical bonds or instead of cracking nuclear waste we can tap it directly , much like having a wide wave range solar panel....

[Low-Q]

The very definition of over unity is more output than input. In other words violating the physical laws.


However, it is not impossible to spend little energy to open a valve which allows a flow of lots of energy, but that isn't over unity. That system is just guiding energy from one reservoir into another.
Nuclear power isn't over unity. Hydro power isn't over unity. Wide wave range solar panels isn't over unity. Because the potential energy is already there; inside materials, up in the mountains as lakes, in the sun as electromagnetic radiation.


Now I feel we are in the core of free energy, green energy. It is lots of free energy around us in the wind, sun, and the water falls, but none of them are over unity.


Vidar

[forest]

No. There is no overunity as you described it. It's green energy , just source is unknown    Overunity is what name points at : something over unity, if nothing is added from external then it's impossible . The same about perpetuum mobile : it's impossible generalization, but we can point at things running so long compared to common man life time then it's almost perpetual motion ....

[Low-Q]

No. Over unity is describing something that can have greater output than input. Unity describe something that have the same output as input.
However, and lucky for us, it isn't neccessary to have over unity in order to have free energy.



From Wikipedia:

In 1979, Joseph Newman filed a US Patent application for his "energy machine" which unambiguously claimed over-unity operation, where power output exceeded power input; the source of energy was claimed to be the atoms of the machine's copper conductor. The Patent Office rejected the application after the National Bureau of Standards measured the electrical input to be greater than the electrical output. Newman challenged the decision in court and lost.

Vidar