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Magnet question

Started by elecar, June 02, 2013, 12:09:58 PM

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elecar

How do you weaken the gate Ace ?

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Quote from: ace569er on June 02, 2013, 03:16:31 PM
   I'm still waiting for someone to tell me or even guess. How to counter/calibrate/weaken the push/pull of magnetization/magnetism? It can be done. Also no form of NUMetal is used. There is a arrangement that everyone knows, that simulates a monopole effect. Meaning it uses the north or south magnetization only when arranged this way. Now can some one tell me how to ADD to that array, to counter, calibrate, & weaken the simulated monopole effect? So that the gate/sticky point, is weakened to almost weakness of the driving force, instead of being several times stronger? Clue; you can not cancel it out, only weaken it. Also you do not change the distance, because that will always take more energy to do so then the drive of the arrangement could ever produce. Then if you can guess that, then tell me what last mod is needed to push pass the weakened gate.
    I do want to explain so bad, but it is so simple of a layout. Plus even easier to see why it works when you can see it then do the math for why it does it. That it saddens me no one has even tried to do something, or figure out how one can  counter/calibrate/weaken the gate in itself, without adding any energy at all. Everyone always wants to move something. Needing work to do so. Yet there is a different way to calibrate. First weaken the gate, then use multiple dynamics to overcome it. So I'd like to see some GOOD thought experiments to figure it out. Can anyone guess how? Think simple. Though I guess every arrangement we use today, is so simple yet, took man till recently to figure out...
A drawing or scetch would help a lot.



elecar

I was hoping Ace would have returned and shown the configuration of the simulated monopole and how to "weaken" the gate.

Check back tomorrow.

elecar

Gyulasun  the calculator has been very useful, do you know if the force is the same side to side ? 
EG: as a magnet on a rotor approaches the "gate" Or is there another calculation used ?
Thank you

gyulasun

The force side to side depends on first of all the shapes: just think of a cylinder - cylinder or a cube - cube surface 'facing' each other from sideways,  so it can be much different.

For such side forces I am not aware of online calculators and in fact such situation can be rather complex math-wise. I would suggest to get acquanted with electromagnetic simulator softwares, the best 3D simulators in this field cost a fortune but there are 2D for free. See this link on the Finite Element Method Magnetics (FEMM for short) software: http://www.femm.info/wiki/HomePage  And here is another link to see what animation can be done with (its included) Lua script: http://usuaris.tinet.cat/sje/femm/acgen.htm

I have not used this software, some members here already did, you may have seen pictures on some FEMM models uploaded, like here where a toroidal core with a coil on it is simulated in Figure 1 in the center: http://www.overunity.com/13481/maquina-movida-pela-forca-da-gravidade/msg362016/#msg362016  (you can see several photos of the rotor and stator involved there by scrolling above in that thread.)

By the way, I think any such calculation (if you knew how to) may give only a rough approach to such problems, the best is to build a setup and feel the forces with your hand or as TinselKoala describes below... 8)
Even if you buy magnets manufactured from the same 'batch', their strength are not at all the same, there surely are differences between them. Some manufacturers provide service for selecting magnets with gauss meter out of many magnets, for extra money of course.