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Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.

Started by synchro1, June 09, 2013, 11:07:49 AM

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synchro1

There's a build under way here on this thread. We're looking at a monople VCR bearing rotor with 6 or 8 N pole facing out magnets. This should be enough to reach the "Critical Mínimum Frequency" of 11K Konzen achieves at 1400 R.P.M.

Two magnet backed coils with high perm ferrite cores and coils of thin wire and many turns, mounted on adjustable screws would be sufficient for all the tests. The self acceleration by "Shorted Coil" can be controlled by "Lenz Drag" from the second. This version would look identical to kEhYo's and be powered as a GAP.

It's enough to understand how the backing magnets increase "Magnetic Viscosity" in the ferrite core, and cause "Phase Lag" to create DLE at low CMF. We don't need an upper level course on James Clerk Maxwell to build and experiment with this kind of generator. Let's take one more look at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrJoGZy1to

All it needs is the tracks and adjustor screws, and a few simple modifications in the circuitry.

One last thing; Take a look at kEhYo's "Coil Shorting Video":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UlwdLXO3AI

MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on December 24, 2014, 11:46:08 AM
Look, you assholes want act to act like Albert Einstien. I don't need a "Special Theory of Relativity" to explain "Phase Lag" in a magnet core. All that garbage on Electromagnetizem is worthless for the simple understanding needed to get this effect on a test bench. You over complexify to derail any practical progress.....
Synchro1 hurling expletives doesn't help your case.  You really ought to study the diagram that I've posted a couple of times now.  Even if you are unwilling to do that, you ought to figure out what you would have to do to really tell whether or not you are getting the free energy that you hope for in your experiments.

NoBull

Quote from: synchro1 on December 24, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
The self acceleration by "Shorted Coil" can be controlled by "Lenz Drag" from the second. This version would look identical to kEhYo's and be powered as a GAP.

It's enough to understand how the backing magnets increase "Magnetic Viscosity" in the ferrite core, and cause "Phase Lag" to create DLE at low CMF.
Yes, ferromagnetic and ferrimagnetic cores do not respond instantaneously to varying magnetic flux.  This is one of the reasons why their upper frequency limit is around 1GHz. 
Yes, there is a delay in the response of these cores and a phase lag like in JLN's VRM experiment but that does not mean that the Lenz's law is delayed by that.

Also, Lenz's law is not the cause of any mechanical drag - the electrical resistance is.
In an ideal coil without resistance there is no mechanical drag to an approaching and departing magnet, despite that current is still induced in such coil in full accordance with the Lenz's law. 
In SC coils the integral of abs(force) over distance is exactly the same during the approach as during the departure of the moving magnet (to and from infinity), so there is no net gain nor loss (drag) of mechanical energy over the full cycle. 

In non-ideal systems the resistance of the coil and load causes the drag (unequal work during the approach vs. the departure).

synchro1

Quote from: MarkE on December 24, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
Synchro1 hurling expletives doesn't help your case.  You really ought to study the diagram that I've posted a couple of times now.  Even if you are unwilling to do that, you ought to figure out what you would have to do to really tell whether or not you are getting the free energy that you hope for in your experiments.

@MarkE,

"Accelerate an electric field, and you produce an orthogonal magnetic field. And vice versa. But the forces themselves are separate. You can easily produce a static electric field without magnetism (and vice versa)".

You're looking at two sides of a coin! Stop acting like some kind of know it all with your shallow takes on everything.

synchro1

Quote from: NoBull on December 24, 2014, 08:06:43 PM
Yes, ferromagnetic and ferrimagnetic cores do not respond instantaneously to varying magnetic flux.  This is one of the reasons why their upper frequency limit is around 1GHz. 
Yes, there is a delay in the response of these cores and a phase lag like in JLN's VRM experiment but that does not mean that the Lenz's law is delayed by that.

Also, Lenz's law is not the cause of any mechanical drag - the electrical resistance is.
In an ideal coil without resistance there is no mechanical drag to an approaching and departing magnet, despite that current is still induced in such coil in full accordance with the Lenz's law. 
In SC coils the integral of abs(force) over distance is exactly the same during the approach as during the departure of the moving magnet (to and from infinity), so there is no net gain nor loss (drag) of mechanical energy over the full cycle. 

In non-ideal systems the resistance of the coil and load causes the drag (unequal work during the approach vs. the departure).

Who ever said "Lenz's Law" is being delayed?