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New generator patent using environment temperature to generate power

Started by RedEagle, June 26, 2013, 01:24:04 AM

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Do You Think this device will work?

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Voting closed: June 29, 2014, 12:10:18 AM

sparks

The thing I find confusing in OTEC is the need for a deep pipe.   The hydroxide molecule (produced by the self-ionization of water)  forms on the surface of any vessel of water.   The oh ion is less dense than the h20 and the h30.  It bubbles to the surface.  (possibly driven by the negative charge of the Earth?)  In any case these ions have a bond length that gets "stretched" by the electric field vibration we call electro-magnetic waves.  The electric field polarization (potential between node and antinode of a wave) stresses the oxygen hydrogen bond length.  Upon passage of the wave the molecule relaxes like a stretched spring relaxes.  It oscillates between being compressed and rarified)    This phenomenon we call heat.   Molecular vibrational energy.  This energy of the surface hydroxide ions is then transferred to molecules via conductance.   This creates a large temperature divergence in the first few inches of water.  Unfortunately waves and currents screw up the whole process.    Most harbors that shelter the water from wind and wave activity act as the best solar collectors.   As the tide changes and the harbor empties through various channels,  the heated surface waters are caused to flow through these channels.   This is where an evaporator should be located.  The condensor could be located in the mud at the bottom of the harbor.   The moon then acts as a pump pumping heated water over the evaporator heat exchanger.  This allows for a smaller evaporator heat exchanger for the same amount of input energy.   The problem with all these heat exchangers are bio-fouling.  Coral is a very efficient heat exchange substance.   It's skeleton transmits heated surface water energy and stores the heat in parts of the reef that act as heat resevoirs.   When the feeders encounter cold water during high tides they simply close their mouth and stay snuggled up inside there own bones which is a huge heat sink for the heated surface waters.  I went to Leedskalins coral castle amusement park.  The coral can sit there in direct sunlight and stay cool to the touch.  His bathtub made of limestone embedded in the coral  will burn your hand.    Two pieces of copper (one embedded in the limestone and one in the coral would generate a constant current source.    Wonder if Ed had a heat engine going out there?   The castle walls during the day create a perfect thermal barrier.   The walls shelter the core.  The sun heats up the core and the hot air rises.  The hot air rising draws outside air to be drawn through various portals.   He had this airconditioned area where he schooled children.  There are slits into the interior of the classroom where a constant breeze is drawn over the cool corral.  The children would stand in this air-conditioned place to have a cool time-out and be schooled.  I stood in one and it is ergonomically very comfortable as well as offering escape from the florida heated water vapor problem. 

   Coral itself forms quiessent harbors.   This allows the lagoons to take advantage of infrared energy capture.   During low tides the lagoons heat up as the reef creates a barrier to the ocean wave and wind water mixing.  The shore side of the reef if full of stuff coral eats,  along with nice warm water.  This is a pretty ancient lifeform but it's insight into natural phenomenon is remarkable.  Imagine it knows how to construct harbors that become algae farms.  Then it knows that the algae farms will attract other species that eat the algae.   It then has developed hunters that dart out and eat the algae grazers.   It has developed methods for extraction of it's vital minerals and then forms bones with these minerals that act as energy storage sites to keep the hunters warm and comfy ready for the next days action. 
   And man the hairless ape developed at these same lagoons.  I think we are just apes that learned how to fish.   At some point I think we were way better swimmers.  Some of the hairless apes became such adroit swimmers they no longer needed their hands and they became fins.  They no longer needed their legs so they became a tail.  They now swim the seas and are the smartest best hunters there are. 
  The florida heated water vapor problem could of course be converted into a major benefit.   You have the evaporator in direct sunlight where the heat and humidity are highest.   This then boils the gas through a turbine and condense the gas in the coral core beneath the ground.    The water vapor condensing on the evaporator could be collected and provide freshwater scources for such things as drinking and irrigation.  Most of Southern florida is basically sand on top of coral.  At some point there must have been a huge barrier reef that for some reason or another got covered by sand.  Have no idea why the whole area got turned into a beach but you dig through the sand and you get to the coral.  It's a matter of a couple of feet in some areas to get to the huge heat sink the buried coral represents.
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DaS Energy

Hello Sparks thanks for your most interesting post. Lots of new knowledge there for me. Whilst I am curious as to what the coral heat sink recharge be like, it has enormous potential.  The simplest Heat engine we have is attached. It arrives from 18th Century Royal Navy trials with the Ammonia engine using sea water as the condenser medium and air as the heating medium. Went no further as Coal crashed to penny a ton. Our work however engages ambient cooling in place sea water. To increase efficiency we rid it of solid parts and made fully turbine. Turbine can be as simple as a car water pump. The remainder being water pipe and tennis ball. Physics do all the rest. The system can be entire liquid or gas over liquid. Entire liquid model boils the liquid to a gas pocket forming in the head of the pressure cylinder/pipe. Condensing liquid falls straight back into the workings. Gas model engages a pump that inputs the cold gas, which has formed after the hot gas has exhausted from the engine, into the hot liquid contained in the pressure  cylinder/pipe, not unlike a Diesel engine. CO2 being the best gas for use. Electrical output 720 watts is calculated using a flow rate of one litre per second at 9 bar pressure. Multiply the number of 9 bar brackets in the heat differential, plus the litres per second to obtain total power output. The attached is water model designed to recollect the condensed steam. Gas injection slightly different in design.

profitis

theres a guy,thomas prevenslik is his name,who made some nano-sized silica shells that glowed with visible intense light nonstop.the shells upconverted ambient infrared into visible light with no expenditure of energy.up-conversion of far infrared into higher light energies can be put in front of a photovoltaic device and yield electricity day and night nonstop.wether up-conversion of light is a 2nd law breach is another issue all on its own.

MileHigh

Gyula:

QuoteIn the other thread http://www.overunity.com/13460/teslas-coil-for-electro-magnets/msg360645/#msg360645 I mentioned that the Tesla SBC must have several series and parallel resonant frequencies due to the distributed reactances (it is a kind of transmission line) so the complex impedance (while cancels) can be equal to the wire resistance only IF the AC input current is at a series resonant frequency. In case the AC input current matches a parallel resonant frequency, the complex impedance also cancels but the real impedance must be (Q*XL) as usual for a parallel LC tank and this real impedance must be higher than the wire resistance unless the loaded Q equals 1 and the inductive reactance value is less than the wire resistance.

I agree with you that it can be modeled as some kind of transmission line with a short for the termination at one end of the line.  So that means you can look at it as a transmission line with an "incorrect" termination at one end that will cause reflections.   There is an unknown termination at the "supply" end and most experimenters would not understand this and the ramifications.  As I mentioned earlier in this thread if you start considering its AC characteristics in depth it will get very complex and become a complete "mess" that is beyond the capabilities of almost all of the experimenters on both forums.  If you want the coil to act as a series LC resonator so that it passes current easily at the basic resonant frequency that's fine but what then?  What do you do with that?

There is lots of bravado and there are "hurt feelings" that the patent would be carefully examined.  For all the brave talk, I have my doubts that anybody will be able to demonstrate any clear advantage or application associated with an SBC.  Who cares if you can prove the coil has more capacitance because you observe a lower self-resonant frequency compared to a similar regular coil.  It's very possible that this was a patent for something that ultimately became no more than a curiosity.  This is an exercise in critical thinking skills where you analyze something on face value and you ignore the unproven and grandiose statements from the Tesla fan boys.

MileHigh

sparks

Quote from: profitis on July 07, 2013, 02:09:50 PM
theres a guy,thomas prevenslik is his name,who made some nano-sized silica shells that glowed with visible intense light nonstop.the shells upconverted ambient infrared into visible light with no expenditure of energy.up-conversion of far infrared into higher light energies can be put in front of a photovoltaic device and yield electricity day and night nonstop.wether up-conversion of light is a 2nd law breach is another issue all on its own.


    Snakes regularly see near infrared.   The chemicals in the snakes retina are excited by near infrared frequencies.  This then produces electrical dc impulses that travel along optical nerves  (wires),   Plants regularly see ultraviolet light and redshift it to disassociate water.   Tesla realized the multiple sources of what we call alternative energy and worked on his magnifying transmitter.   Instead of filling oil tankers with oil his plan was to fill electrical tank circuits with electrical energy.  Create a standing wave field and cause this standing wave field to move back and forth a little bit to excite electricity in ground plane conductors.  This would allow the power of a waterfall to fill up an electrical tank circuit thousands of miles away.  This was and is very problematic to the energy cartels.   Their grid useless-their meters useless-their monopoly on distribution of chemical energy gone. 
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