another Self looped Generator Claim

[TinselKoala]

Hi minnie
I don't do "big science" much these days, but I personally like the idea of using magnetic fields to control plasmas. Many people think that ITER is a big boondoggle waste of money. I don't know. I'd much rather that governments spent money on things like ITER than on things like Predator drones in Pakistan. For something like ITER, you'll never know until after the money is spent. But the payoffs would be huge if it works. It might also make for some spectacular failure modes, but nothing like what we've got to contend with at Fukushima.
Cheers, and I hope the duck is fattening nicely....
-TK

[e2matrix]

Some thoughts to chew on regarding self running devices that use flywheels :
"A flywheel may be used to supply intermittent pulses of energy at transfer rates that exceed the abilities of its energy source, or when such pulses would disrupt the energy supply (e.g., public electric network). This is achieved by accumulating stored energy in the flywheel over a period of time, at a rate that is compatible with the energy source, and then releasing that energy at a much higher rate over a relatively short time.
ONE BASIC ELECTRO-MECHANICAL METHOD (of many)

Continuously input Electricity (Force) from a known source, (Nature)
and
Continuously convert the Electrical Force to rotary Mechanical (Energy/Power), HORSEPOWER,
and
Continuously accelerate rotating Solid Matter (Develop Kinetic Energy/Power), HORSEPOWER,
and
The stored Energy/Power is then/now available for extraction and use as high pressure Mechanical (Energy/Power), HORSEPOWER impulses of timed duration, stronger than the original input,
now
Extract & Transfer Mechanical Energy/Power to Accelerate a second Solid Matter Flywheel.
Use a Mechanical Advantage to Develop additional Torque/Force to allow accelerating a greater mass of larger diameter at reduced RPM, (the greater mass and diameter develop more Kinetic Energy/Power, HORSEPOWER per RPM),
now
Transmit a timed short duration high pressure Mechanical Energy/Power impulse to a third Solid Matter Flywheel that acts as a Receiver, Storage, Transmitter,
now
Transmit a timed short duration high pressure Mechanical Energy/Power impulse to a fourth Solid Matter Flywheel that acts as a Receiver and MECHANICAL Prime mover with CONTINUOUS HORSEPOWER per second sufficient for a low RPM Alternator.

There you have it the method to obtain Electricity from Solid Matter in motion without consuming one drop of "fuel" as you presently think of "fuel".

To be used in a self sustaining electro mechanical power plant the electric motor and the alternator or generator cannot be coupled mechanically together.

Mechanical energy is what all conventional electric power generators require to produce electricity. Mechanical energy is Kinetic energy though I am fairly certain there are people who would like to think and argue to the contrary. Regardless of one's thoughts the fact remains that Mechanical energy has the ability to do work directly on other objects made of matter. Mechanical energy is also able to be developed and amplified using levers to produce differentials of either distance or force over time.   (info source backgauges.com)

Wheels are actually levers, and their energy is mechanical, and as such they DEVELOP Kinetic/Mechanical "energy" in time based upon the volume and density of the Matter they are made of and the distance each particle of the Matter moves in the space the wheel itself occupies in Space.

Solid Matter in motion used as "Fuel" develops Horsepower.   Think of a flywheel as a rotary lever.   

To be a self-sustaining machine there must be a minimum of four separate solid Matter OBJECTS IN MOTION, as fuel masses. (at least so far & for now) The energy input and output "fuel" masses must be MECHANICALLY ISOLATED from each other and FREE to move in Space on at least one plane.

There must be:

1. Continuous external input of Force/energy, which can be any suitable form: I.e.: electricity.

2. A Prime mover or movers capable of maintaining system Velocity.

3. Solid Matter being moved by Prime mover(s) and developing Kinetic energy exceeding the input energy per second,

4. A Mechanical method and means to extract, convert and transfer Kinetic energy between solid matter objects as high pressure Mechanical energy  pulses to develop/introduce non equilibrium into a system of inherent equilibrium,

5. A Mechanical means to split Time between Kinetic energy development, extraction and transfer of the high pressure Mechanical energy pulses,

6. A greater volume of matter in motion absorbing/receiving the Mechanical energy pulses at a Mechanical advantage, developing additional Kinetic energy and driving an electrical alternator/generator continuously.

7. And of course your ability to understand the one thing Generators/alternators require to function; continuous HORSEPOWER per second.
More
Doubling the downfall speed of mass quadruples developed kinetic energy output.
Doubling flywheel speed also quadruples kinetic energy output, which is available for work. 

A formula to solve/calculate HORSEPOWER DEVELOPED PER SECOND by Solid Matter objects in rotary motion, namely Flywheels used as Fuelwheels that are not consumed.

HP/sec = KE x .7376 x Rpm / 5252 / 550

KE (Joules), ~ .7376 (converts Joules to ft. lbs Torque), ~ Rpm (Revolutions per minute), ~ 5252 (constant per minute), ~ 550 (constant per second)

Here is how to solve/calculate Kinetic "energy" in Joules of a simple flywheel;

KE = 0.5 x Inertia x (V x V); for disk type; (and x 2 for ring type)

Inertia = .5 x mass x (radius x radius); ( Moment of inertia for disk type )

V = (rpm/60) x 2 x 3.142; ( converts RPM to radians per second )

With mass = m / 1000; ( converts grams to kilograms )

radius = d/2 / 1000; ( converts mm to meters )

Notice the E in KE, the mass of the wheel, and the V for velocity are all present. They are all that is in E = MCsquared.

[e2matrix]

More food for thought (same source):
OBSERVED ENERGY FACTS:
1. All Matter has potential energy, matter in motion develops Kinetic energy.

2. Less energy input is required per second to sustain matter in motion than is developed per second beyond the objects threshold
Velocity.

3. Kinetic energy of balanced solid matter objects rotating is available for use to do work as mechanical energy/horsepower.

4. Mechanical energy/horsepower torque can be transmitted, and or multiplied by leverage, gearing with an accompanying rpm
decrease.

5. Mechanical energy of reduced rpm with increased torque can move other objects, of greater volumes/areas of solid matter.

6. Secondary, greater areas/volumes of matter placed in motion develop Kinetic energy/horsepower in addition to all previous energy.

7. Mechanical energy is Kinetic energy at work.

8. Mass, Volume and Velocity determine its Magnitude.

SIMPLE PROCESS - OVER EFFICIENT DESIGN
Small electrical input to a motor, converting electrical to mechanical power,

Use the mechanical power to place solid matter in motion at velocity to develop KE equal to converted input power,

Use mechanical advantage to multiply/develop torque at reduced rpm,

Use the increased torque to place an additional greater volume of solid matter in motion thereby developing more KE, greater Inertia
& momentum.

Use another mechanical advantage to again multiply/develop more torque at reduced rpm, and use a mechanical disconnect from
previous rotating matter.

Use the increased torque to again place an additional greater volume of solid matter in motion thereby developing even more KE,
greater Inertia & momentum,

Use a final mechanical advantage to adjust/match rpm for output to an electrical power generator/alternator.

Understand, comprehend this process alone yields more HORSEPOWER output than input without burning one drop of extra fuel,
that is FREE ENERGY.

Understand this process does require a constant input of power, and its output cannot be used as the input. Don't believe - try it, you
will learn something.

WHAT IS HAPPENING
System A:
Input 1 receives electrical power/energy and converts it to mechanical power/energy known as horsepower.
Fuel/flywheel 1 develops Kinetic energy to match the horsepower F.L. requirement of the generator/alternator.
Output 2 generator receives converted energy of input 1 and developed energy of fuel/flywheel and converts those mechanical
energies to electrical energy for output, for use outside this system.

System B:
Input 2 receives electrical power/energy and converts it to mechanical power/energy known as horsepower.
Fuel/flywheel 2 develops Kinetic energy to match the horsepower F.L. requirement of the generator/alternator.
Output 1 generator receives converted energy of input 1 and developed energy of fuel/flywheel and converts those mechanical
energies to electrical energy for output, for use outside this system.

[e2matrix]

One more:  An ordinary electric motor with a properly sized solid Matter flywheel installed is doing the work of rotating it, and consumes less electrical power per second maintaining the Velocity of the flywheel than the Kinetic energy developed by the flywheel per second.
Are Mechanical advantages of basic machines real?

Can you name the three basic machines of classical mechanics/physics?

Has every possible use/combination of these machines already been done?

[conradelektro]

One more:  An ordinary electric motor with a properly sized solid Matter flywheel installed is doing the work of rotating it, and consumes less electrical power per second maintaining the Velocity of the flywheel than the Kinetic energy developed by the flywheel per second.
Are Mechanical advantages of basic machines real?

Can you name the three basic machines of classical mechanics/physics?

Has every possible use/combination of these machines already been done?

@e2matrix:

Conventional theory says that a flywheel between a motor and a load costs additional energy (the additional energy cost is the friction of the fly wheel).

The advantage of a flywheel is that the load can consume for a short while a very high energy (by slowing down the fly wheel and consuming the energy stored therein). But after the short while the energy in the flywheel has to be replenished by the motor over time. The flywheel absorbs consumption bursts (but the cost is the friction of the fly wheel). So, there is practicality but no energy gain, even an energy loss.

There are some people who hope that very high turn rates of a fly wheel (more than 100.000 rpm) develop "unknown effects" which could lead to an energy transfer from "somewhere" into the fly wheel. The energy could come from the "ether" or from "the fabric of space" or from some other strange place.

So far these speculations could not be proven. But one thing is clear, at normal turn rates (up to 100.000 rpm) nothing unexpected happens. This is proven by  the many plutonium separation centrifuges which turn at 80.000 to 100.000 rpm and which have be inspected and measured carefully.

Also many gyroscopes in air planes and ships turn at about 70.000 to 100.000 rpm and they have been studied extensively because they are also of strategic interest.

NASA uses gyroscopes in almost all space vehicles and satellites (e.g. in Kepler) and they turn at these rpm rates in space and would exhibit strange properties outside the gravitational field of the earth. These high speed gyroscopes are so well understood that they can very accurately point these space vehicles in space.

So, the turn rates achieved by the people who claim OU in fly wheels are much to low to be of any interest. And to turn something at a higher rate than 100.000 rpm is a very difficult and costly thing way out of the reach of almost everybody.

Greetings, Conrad