Magnetically Imbalanced Wheel

[truesearch]

@Hope:


Ok, thanks to Farmhand's drawings (and your preliminary ones) it's alot more clear to me what you where describing.


In reviewing the conceptional drawing it "seems" like there might be a "sticky-point" at the 6:00 o-clock point where the north-pole flexible mounted magnetic is being forced into the north-pole field of the outside-statically positioned magnets. There are 2 opposing "forces" that would need to be overcome by the offset-gravity push: the North-to-North magnetic repulsion (which would cause the flexible rods to bend); and the flexible rod wanting to return to their "relaxed" state. I suppose the only way to REALLY tell will be if someone has the resources and ability to construct a prototype.


I like to idea and hope it works. 




Thanks for sharing your idea!


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[Farmhand]

Hi Truesearch, The sticky point issue has been noted and at least one way to overcome it is mentioned. Did you notice the part of my post where I said the pendulum effect of the rods could help if the device is "Tuned". The same is true for the bottom as for the top. The same swing out/in effect is intended to occur at both the top and the bottom of the wheel. (at least for my attempt)

But I think the trick to it will be to get the rods to flex enough and make the magnets "swing out" past the neutral point when they leave the influence of the left side big magnet,
Then while still "out" the magnets enter the influence of the big right magnet without needing to be actually pushed out, they would only need to be held out by the big magnet kind of thing, and the same at the bottom but from out to in.  kinda like each rod is a pendulum when it leaves one magnet it swings out or in then just gets held there by the other magnet, the off balance does the rest. Maybe need a push to start it. It would have a speed but could be adjustable to vary optimum speed maybe. Worth a shot I think. I think the idea has some merit.

Cheers

P.S. From memory a similar effect or device was discussed at Heretical Builders but certainly the one discussed there was not the same as this device. I can't say I have seen a device just like Hopes as yet. The only thing similar I can think of is the, "wave form making device" used for teaching, it has a single flexible rod "length-ways" with a lot of horizontal rods with a weight on each end, it works by if one rod is upset a wave motion is begun. The devices last a long time but are just for teaching the wave motion effects.

I'll post a link if I can find it.  If anyone else knows of the mechanical wave machine I am writing about and can find a picture or video please post a link.

I can't say if Hope already thought of the effect I mention and even if he didn't yet it would have come to him anyway, so just for the sake of saying, this is Hopes Wheel. I take no credit, I'm just interested.

It would need a push to start it I think so as to have some initial input kinetic energy to work with.

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[truesearch]

@Farmhand:


I appreciate and respect your input ~ sorry I had overlooked your observation posted earlier.


In considering the concept I was only looking at any possible (obvious) reason that it might not work. And without considering the potential benefits of the wave/pendulum effect for the flexible/magnets it seemed that there would be a sticky-point.


"Hope"fully this will develop into a working design. 


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[Farmhand]

No Probs, Yes. Where there is Hope there is Will, and. Where there is a Will there is a Way. 

Cheers

[Hope]

This is the closest machine that displays the same idea, though he does use mechanical weight shifts to do the same imbalanced wheel routine.  Maybe someone else can find others to post.  Thank you both for your comments.


Aldo Costa - clips of his Giant Perpetual Motion Wheel - YouTube


I have purchased items on the mainland today and will start a build in the evenings after work.  It will be crude, let's hope it is large enough to over come the frictions at play.  The small magnets were $5.99 X 4 packages and yields 40 magnets.   Not the highest quality magnets, but they should work for a working prototype.  Aldo Costa's wheel gives me an inner feeling that it has a good chance at working. 


Sterling Allen called tonight and I hope to not be a disappointment to his time.  He spends a lot of precious moments away from his loved ones and it is way past time that his efforts are given the fruits they deserve.


As far as I can tell the concern over a sticky point is actually not viable due to the amount of weight shifted on both sides of the disk.  The unflexed rods are neither a plus nor minus on the effect.  Anyways your comments are very constructive and welcome.  Thank you


I have contacted Professor Jones and hope his insights will add needed momentum to the topic.  After over 4 years watching and trying ideas on the forum I and others get a bit burnt out on being fresh to new ideas.  The whole prototype looks like it will cost under $45.00 USD.  Will post it for your interests.  I picked up a 16M pixel camera that will make the video.  I will have to get some light flat brass to act as the flex rods here on the island.  Seems funny to me that after all the complicated things we all have tried, this motor is so simple.   I will try to borrow a scale to match the finished flex rods with.