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Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

Started by hanon, August 13, 2013, 08:01:16 PM

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Clarence

Quote from: e2matrix on March 27, 2015, 11:36:45 AM
Awesome work Clarence!    I'm not sure what sort of amps your charger is putting out but if you want to really maximize what gets to the battery you might want to pick up some 4/0 or 2/0 welding cable sometime down the road.   It might be overkill but you won't loose anything on cables.    :)

Clarence:

Hello e2matrix, & ALL,

appreciate your thoughts Sir. in about a week when I post my final info for my build I will include a final schematic which will match to the final photo for everyone's ease
of building their own unit.
also I will give an exact list of all the components I used and the source I obtained them from. that way all who are in ernest about building their own unit can do so with ease
and reap the rewards of their efforts. after this last posting I will be out and down from posting! it has been a GREAT ride! I appreciate the forums thread with its ability to share with ALL the interested members
along the way. now that spring is here I have TONS of work to catch up on the farm. I will still receive my regular notification when some one makes a new post so I will always monitor those Items
and if someone has a question I will answer gladly.

BTW: the charger has an out put ability of 20 amps. and they have the same type unit with larger amp outputs also!

Later! Cheers!

Clarence

aaron5120

Hi Clarence,
I have been following your research and progress in this project since weeks ago, and I am glad you have archieved finally success with the modified B&L circuit. Congratulations to you, Sir! 
In my effort of initiating the replication of your build, I came up with a question, and after reviewing the last 5 pages of posts I could not find the corresponding answer, so I will place it here. Please help me as I am very interested in installing the system to power some appliances at my home, and thus reducing my electricity bill statement!
I have found toroidal cores for Audio Amplifiers in the market, are they suitable for this circuit? Or is it necessary to have toroidal transformer cores for this purpose? If I scale up the watts outputs of the circuit, say to 5KW, do I need bigger toroidal cores, and more windings?
Thanks in advance for your help, Clarence, and we appreciate very much your interest in publishing the information you have gotten so far.

aaron5120

Clarence

Quote from: aaron5120 on March 27, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
Hi Clarence,
I have been following your research and progress in this project since weeks ago, and I am glad you have archieved finally success with the modified B&L circuit. Congratulations to you, Sir! 
In my effort of initiating the replication of your build, I came up with a question, and after reviewing the last 5 pages of posts I could not find the corresponding answer, so I will place it here. Please help me as I am very interested in installing the system to power some appliances at my home, and thus reducing my electricity bill statement!
I have found toroidal cores for Audio Amplifiers in the market, are they suitable for this circuit? Or is it necessary to have toroidal transformer cores for this purpose? If I scale up the watts outputs of the circuit, say to 5KW, do I need bigger toroidal cores, and more windings?
Thanks in advance for your help, Clarence, and we appreciate very much your interest in publishing the information you have gotten so far.

aaron5120

Clarence:

Ill be blunt . you did not find it because as I said I would not post ALL of the final info until next week!
However you have requested and I will answer.
you will need EXACTLY what you see in my last photo. go any other route and you will just shoot yourself in the foot!
I am attaching the photos of the toroids (SPECIAL ORDERED BY ME IN THE PAST) they will handle it ALL!
When you speak to the people at BridgePort Magnetics, INC ask to speak with  MICHAEL KHARAZ . give him the toroid description in the attachment
as it is shown. he will have this information on file from my past orders. you WILL need TWO of them!!!
I have attached the photos of the tool you will need to PREWIND the secondary coil.
after you have prewound the coils then slide roll them thru the center and around the toroid. PAY ATTENTION to the PHOTO attachment of the
completed secondary wound toroid! if it is not EXACT like the photo shows you shot your self in the foot again! both toroid HAVE to be identical!!!!
then when you SPIN ONE of them to face the other they will line up correctly!!! the two top wires will connect to each other by a split bolt connector
of #4AWG size.  the two bottom wires will connect to each other with a #4AWG split bolt connector of #4AWG zize. you should be able to get COPPER
split bolt connectors at your local hardware store. Co to PACERGROUP.com site in Florida   and click on the battery cable by the Ft catagory. Get 7-8 ft
of the BLACK #4AWG tinned battery cable wire. it takes 3 1/2 ft to prewind each secondary coil.

I have attached a photo of what the toroids will look like when you receive them from Bridgeport Magnetics ready for YOU to wind the secondary on each one!
I have attached a picture of how to make the wood tool for prewinding . I used scrap 2 x 4 wood.

this size unit will handle whatever your needs are I believe. however you and others will find that there is some DEFINITE work to achieving the final end results!!!
however the completion of the two looped toroids IS a MAJOR step. all it takes to power these toroids at idle is about 0.06 amps at about 7.4 watts and that doesn't deviate very much
whenever the unit is operating loaded or unloaded.
The amperage on the #4 AWG loop is about 1.3 amps on mine at idle and then climbs slowly as new loads are added. the rise should get to about 60 amps  only after MAJOR loads at the same time have been added.and 60 amps is not hard on A #4AWG wire in my opinion. if you want to go to #2AWG just do it . its not a major event at all. the procedure is the SAME!

IMPORTANT UPDATE: aaron5120 no one to date has grasped the fact that this unit with just the toroids in looped secondary coil  format and the full SIXTY ground rod installation (4 rods input  -  56 rods return ) can simply be powered LEGALLY by plugging the toroids and the phase / neutral as shown in a  previous schematic into any mains outlet receptacle and get the SAME type of results B&L
demonstrated in their first you tube video ( which has now been taken down ). THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!!!  and I have recently done the same thing MYSELF!!! you CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT  THE GROUND RODS IN PLACE FIRST!!! I verified my results with my KILL-A-WATT meters I always use in my circuits.  the results were stunning to say the least. you get about 80% useage power through
the GROUND system to whatever load you place but ONLY USE ABOUT 20% power consumption through the mains  system you use!!! so until you can get enough funds to obtain the battery and charger and the inverter you can just use the mains method and reduce your mains bill by about 80% as soon as you build. however do NOT bragg about it to your utility Company because you will be reducing their revenue from you by 80% and they sure won't like it ! in the mean time you can complete your build and finally get free.

example - I powered my unit (without charger, Battery,inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build output to load .........KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts.  about an 80/20 relationship.
Cheers!

enough for now!
Later!

Clarence

Void

To try to save Clarence some typing and drawing, I am including some info on the main components
that I believe Clarence is using in his current setup (although this could change), and I am also including
a schematic drawing.
Any errors in the following info and drawing are my own.
@Clarence, when you get some time, can you let me know if there are any errors in this info and drawing?

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Toroids:
==========
Bridgeport Magnetics
Website:
http://www.tortran.com/standard_isolation_transformers.html
Contact:
Michael Kharaz
E-mail:    sales@bridgeportmagnetics.com
http://www.tortran.com/contact.html
Custom ordered toroid (2 required):
TD300-1120-P, 300VA, 60Hz, Primary 120V, 160 degrees winding on toroid surface, no secondary winding - $125 USD each
==========================

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Smart Battery Charger:
==========================
Xantrex TrueCharge2 Battery Charger - 20Amp model
Website:
http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/battery-chargers/truecharge-2-2.aspx
Xantrex Dealers list:
http://www.xantrex.com/contacts/where-to-buy.aspx

Available from Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Xantrex-804-1220-02-TRUECharge2-Parallel-Stackable/dp/B001G7CZRM
Looks like the price is around $260 to $300 USD - depending where you order from.

Minimum recommended battery bank size for use with the 20Amp Charger model: 40 Ah
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12V Pure Sinewave Power Inverter
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AIMS POWER 3000 Watt 12VDC Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter -  Model: PWRIG300012120S
Website:
http://www.aimscorp.net/3000-Watt-Pure-Sine-Inverter.html

Available from:

InvertersRUs - $699 USD
http://www.invertersrus.com/aims-pwrig300012120s.html

Amazon - $799 USD
http://www.amazon.com/AIMS-Power-PWRIG300012120S-3000W-Inverter/dp/B00IQHT8UM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427550722&sr=8-2&keywords=Aims+3000W+pure+sine+wave+inverter
==========================

Clarence

Hello Void,

How do I get hold of you to send a schematic correction to you?

Clarence