Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[tinman]

There are two types of people: Those who encourage and those who discourage.

No-there is not,not here on OU.com.
Here there are those that believe blindly,and those that seek truth through carfull measurements-->which must be supplied by the claiment.

The title of this site is overunity.

Indeed it is. Do you have proof of an OU device?.

Those who do not like it should find another site, instead of annoying people here.

What you mean to say is-if you dont go along with what we say,and believe blindly like we do,then p*ss off.

We are all big boys on this site and know that we do things at our own risk -
and we do not need baby sitters.

So you would buy a car without taking it for a test drive?.

Certain members have come on to this site dismissing it without even bothering to find
what is going on. That is just disrespectful.

Certain members can look at a schematic and know that it just wont work. I went to the trouble off sepperating the captor loop transformer from the rest of the circuit,and explained what 2 things could happen
1-if wound in phase,you would have a big nothing transformer.
2-if one coil is wound out of phase,you have a big heater
-->and guess what,the first person who built the captor loop transformer is now here asking why everything is getting hot and melting-->aint that a hoot.

Clarence:  Why don't you just pm the good guys with your results. It's easy enough.
That way we get away from the garbage on this thread.

The good guys are actually the ones trying to tell you that the device wont work as per the schematic. You dont only learn from your mistakes a.king21,you also learn from those that know,so as you can limit mistakes. This is why you go to school-is it not?

You(and others-including myself) need to see this forum as a school as well as a place to come see and try some interesting things. I was once the same,but in time you can actually start to see the forest through the trees.

Here is a little something for you. Tonight-not 3 hours ago,i finished my new magnetic asisted coil. So i set it up in an inductive kickback circuit to see how well it would charge batteries,and when i disconected the battery that runs the device so as i could try looping it back to the run battery,the bloody thing kept on running-->without the battery hooked up. So what do you think the first thing i done was?-->thats right,i grabed the video camera and filmed it running with no battery conected. That video is uploading now,and i will post it here as soon as it's done. BUT-do you see me making a thread telling everyone to start building this (what appears to be)self running device?-->no,and until i know where or what the power source is that is feeding it,i will make no OU  claim of any type,even though it appears to be running it self. The energy has to be coming from some where,and until i find out where,then no one should rush off to build this device.

[truesearch]

@tinman:


Looking forward to seeing you project 


truesearch

[MileHigh]

MH, This is the Clarence circuit you were looking for?
I cannot understand your frustration on serious testing. There is no better test than having it running for days and collecting data like Clarence has.

He has been providing clear data on this device like measurements on the input. What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.

http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg442810/#msg442810

Okay so I looked at the simplified schematic.  I marked it up and attached it.

Look, I see this:

Battery -> Inverter -> (load and smart charger) -> back to the battery.

The conductivity between the "Ground Grid Input" and the "Ground Grid Return" is going to be very high and you can treat it as a short circuit.

I have no clue what the pair of toroids is supposed to do and the connections are "strange" but it doesn't really matter.  The output of the sine wave inverter is directly connected to the input of the smart charger.  The funky toroids may as well not even be there.  Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away.  This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.

What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.

It's only absurd if your preconceived notions have blinded you.  That sounds like something you would say to me, no?

MileHigh

[Void]

Well, I looked through all of Clarence's postings.  Does anybody remember IST?  This guy has some shades of IST in his presentation.  On this thread, he is like Tiny Tim tip-toeing through the tulips, playing his ukulele and teasing you all with impish delight and a twinkle in his eye.  Technically, he is not credible, period.  You are supposed to sink something between 40 and 60 ground rods over a large area of your back yard, bury the return wires, and throw in some batteries and inverters and toroidal transformers and get free energy power like that?  Give yourselves a break.

Is he hiding?  Here is one possible explanation:  He posts his follow-up post as promised, and he gets some questions from myself and others that he simply can't answer properly.  He knows that he won't get away with playing any more Tiny Tim games.  The illusion is broken and he doesn't get his kicks anymore doing this.  Does he even have a scope?

Or, if he has been posting for four months, talking all about his system and making promises of really delivering the results and data this week, what is stopping him from going forward?  If he really believes in his results and data, why should anybody stop him?  Why should text on a screen from another person stop him?  Really, if you claim that you have what you say you have, why should anybody's comments stop you?  You should be able to respond to all questions about your alleged system with confidence and also have the data to back up your confidence.  There is no valid reason for you to not continue with your claims if you are real.

MileHigh, there are people who have been participating in or following this thread who
are fully capable of determining what are sound results and what are not. All of a sudden
recently several people jumped into this thread without really having any idea what was
being discussed here recently, and after one started going on about 'lack of evidence'
and people 'blindly believing' and 'people throwing away their money on nonsense', this then of
course got other people going on about the same sort of stuff, without any of them really having
any idea what was actually going on here in the last while.

In actuality, Clarence has been doing some testing and posting a bit of info about his setup and tests. The few of us
that were following along were for the most part just waiting to see if Clarence got any notable results using a battery
and inverter. We left off with Clarence saying he was going to install more ground rods and try some more tests
once he got the ground rods all installed. Clarence can sometimes not post for several days or even much more because he
is busy, or has nothing new to report.

I have followed all of Clarence's posts here, and he has not posted any info so far that I personally
would consider to be indicative that the device can self run for any considerable length of time from the battery, without the
battery starting to discharge. However, Clarence has not really posted much details about any such tests he has done so far,
so there really is not much to go on yet in that regard. As I mentioned however, we were waiting for Clarence to get around to doing
more tests along this line. There was no conclusions having been drawn about the device either way, although Clarence
was enthusiastic that it would be able to self run on a 12V battery with his setup and the extra ground rods.

Clarence also did kind of go off the deep end a bit in the last couple of days however. I posted a comment on a very basic test I did
with a single transformer B&L arrangement, as shown in their patents, and Clarence started going on about how he was going to stop
posting here if people didn't follow exactly what he was doing and saying and that sort of thing, and that people were just not getting what
he was doing at all, etc. The test I did however had nothing to do with what Clarence has been testing with. I just did a basic test to see what
kind of power consumption was involved, and how much current would flow in a shorted 3 turn and 1 turn secondary on a toroidal power transformer I have,
as I was curious about what the current levels would be, etc. Clarence's comments didn't really make any sense. There does appear
to be some issues there, there is no denying that. I personally think it is reasonable that people who are thinking about shelling out
a bunch of money for the device should at least wait to see if Clarence posts some specific info on actual run times with his new ground rods
installed, using the battery and inverter with no mains connection. It is quite an expensive setup that Clarence has been experimenting with.

All the best...

[MileHigh]

Void:

Thank you for the summation.  That's pretty much what I picked up by skimming through Clarence's postings.  However, he does make occasional claims that his system is generating free energy.

This is a quote from Clarence:

my supplier refers to it as a 300 toroid whatever that could mean.
the primary is wound to specs for 120 volts at 2.5 amps.

120 volts x 2.5 amps is 300 watts.  Whatever could it mean for the supplier to call it a "300 toroid?"  My conclusion is that that is their standard toroid size for making your own 300 VA toroidal transformer.

MileHigh