Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[Void]

The problem with "power from the ground" is that electrons are nothing without voltage.  The ground is not at any kind of voltage, it's at.... ground potential.  So where do you get the much-needed voltage?   You get it from some kind of device, that is sitting above the (physical) ground - a black box.  The entire premise for getting "power from the ground" is false because you need a potential difference between two points, and you need a current loop that goes through those two points.  No (potential + loop) and you have got squat.  The "ground" in the physical ground is just a lost sea of electrons with no useful potential between their current position in the physical ground and somewhere else.  That somewhere else also has to have a ground return.  That is the reality that you have o work with.

Sure, but then again until a given device is fully understood we can't really say what all could be making it
work, assuming we actually were able to come up with a working over unity device. Certainly if the device
is really over unity, then it is pulling in extra energy from somewhere. Regarding energy from the ground,
from what I understand a heat pump pulls in energy from the ground beyond what is being supplied from
the power source powering the heat pump. If it can be done in that way, energy may also be able to
be extracted in other ways as well that we as yet haven't discovered yet. Not everything has been invented
or discovered yet in this world. Not by a long shot... There are certainly new and amazing discoveries coming
in the future.
All the best...

[Void]

And for you out there thinking about this concept, you have to wonder why Clarence did not already know this or could not simply connect the dots and figure out what it meant himself.  Alternatively, since he has been singing about this stuff for four months, you would think that he would want to find out.

That doesn't seem that important to me. I think Clarence must have understood the capacity of the
toroids he was ordering based on the voltage and current rating of the primary winding, even if he maybe
didn't fully grasp the significance of the VA rating.
All the best...

[ramset]

HMM
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

« Reply #705 on: May 30, 2014, 01:42:01 AM »


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Ok guys, as you know I have a video in YouTube showing my finds in the Barbosa device. Its a very simple video and even getting some "different" results, I stopped my tests to work in others projects..
Check my video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qw76Ay7kg


Yesterday, Carlos my friend from Brazil, send me the link about one replication made by Nenad Savic using what my schematics and looks like that he got a "good results"

Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg\
Today, he put another video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8


Cheers
Ariovaldo
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OK I see the vids are gone ,maybe somebody saved them??

Now when things warm up [frozen ground]I will be pulling the Savic heater back out and hooking it to ground rods.
I will also be reaching out for Ariovaldo thru some contacts.

respectfully
Chet

[MileHigh]

A heat pump simply displaces heat energy from point A to point B, it's doesn't "pull in" energy or create energy in any way.

Here is a different kind of heat pump:   You have a big container of burning hot coal on a motorized buggy.   You switch the power on for the electric motor.   The buggy moves over 12 feet and then you switch the motor off.  You measure how much electrical energy the motor consumed and compare it to how much the heat energy increased at the spot where the buggy stopped.

Do you see anything special or something suggesting "harvesting energy from some unknown source" or some kind of over unity process going on there?

Sure, but then again until a given device is fully understood we can't really say what all could be making it
work, assuming we actually were able to come up with a working over unity device.

This is (always) putting the cart before the horse.  There is no evidence that it works so there is no point in trying to figure out what could make it work.  Real life doesn't work like that.  You need proof that it works, and only then try to figure out what could make it work.

In this case, this guy wants you to spend a thousand or more dollars and dig around your back yard inserting ground rods like some kind of dancing chicken for his amusement.  Let the dude prove that he is real first, but like you said, it's not looking good.

[Void]

A heat pump simply displaces heat energy from point A to point B, it's doesn't "pull in" energy or create energy in any way.

Here is a different kind of heat pump:   You have a big container of burning hot coal on a motorized buggy.   You switch the power on for the electric motor.   The buggy moves over 12 feet and then you switch the motor off.  You measure how much electrical energy the motor consumed and compare it to how much the heat energy increased at the spot where the buggy stopped.

Do you see anything special or something suggesting "harvesting energy from some unknown source" or some kind of over unity process going on there?

This is (always) putting the cart before the horse.  There is no evidence that it works so there is no point in trying to figure out what could make it work.  Real life doesn't work like that.  You need proof that it works, and only then try to figure out what could make it work.

In this case, this guy wants you to spend a thousand or more dollars and dig around your back yard inserting ground rods like some kind of dancing chicken for his amusement.  Let the dude prove that he is real first, but like you said, it's not looking good.

Sorry MileHigh, now you are just talking in circles, going back to your basic assumption
that energy can not be drawn into a system beyond what the power source is supplying.
Whether the term of 'pulling in' or 'drawing in' or 'displacing' is used, is neither here nor there.
In all cases it is clear what is meant. I won't be drawn into any such circular argument approaches.
We get there are various members here who believe strongly that over unity is impossible,
but not everyone here takes that for granted. The possibility of over unity remains a possibility
regardless of what some people believe and say to the contrary.
All the best...