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Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

Started by hanon, August 13, 2013, 08:01:16 PM

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bringdownthezog

Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 12:06:07 PM
Okay so I looked at the simplified schematic.  I marked it up and attached it.

Look, I see this:

Battery -> Inverter -> (load and smart charger) -> back to the battery.

The conductivity between the "Ground Grid Input" and the "Ground Grid Return" is going to be very high and you can treat it as a short circuit.

I have no clue what the pair of toroids is supposed to do and the connections are "strange" but it doesn't really matter. 

Connect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.

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The output of the sine wave inverter is directly connected to the input of the smart charger.  The funky toroids may as well not even be there.  Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away.  This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.

It's only absurd if your preconceived notions have blinded you.  That sounds like something you would say to me, no?

MileHigh

Jimboot

Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 08, 2015, 10:43:54 PM
Void:

I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby.  I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that.  What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so. 
Bill
I have no problem with someone calling for data to support a claim. I really enjoy the way that Gyula & Mags do this. They are polite and in my experience try to point out potential measuremnet errors without being arrogant or disdainful or abusive. Not pointing fingers! I just think we lose a lot of constructive discussion here as so many threads end up in abuse on all sides. I guess it would be nice if we could just be respectful of each other and avoid feeding any troll like behaviour.

tinman

Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 09, 2015, 05:13:35 AM
Hey, Did you figure out the magnet is causing the oscillation? Change the magnet and you'll get another frequency. Here's your chance to change the title of the video from 'unknown source' and actually do something useful  ;D
Lol-no,incorrect-->but who am i to spoil your fun.

QuoteConnect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.

Lol,you get a big induction heater,as one person here that has built the wonder transformer found out lol.

bringdownthezog

Quote from: tinman on April 09, 2015, 05:38:20 AM
Lol-no,incorrect-->but who am i to spoil your fun.

Lol,you get a big induction heater,as one person here that has built the wonder transformer found out lol.

Where's your data ? Bhawwhahaha

Void

Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 08, 2015, 10:43:54 PM
Void:
I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby.  I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that.  What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so.  Then, when someone asks for some data, or dare I say "proof' of these claims, the insults start flying.  Your hobbyist experimenter is now really put out that anyone might dare ask for such a thing.  So put out, in fact, that they pack up their marbles and go home.  Then, others claim that world would now have free energy if only such a question were not asked.  The inquisitor is now blamed for depriving the world of yet another free energy device.
I have seen this happen waaaay to many times here...following exactly the script as written above.

Hi Pirate88179. I am sorry, but what you are saying is nonsense. I am sure at some level you may
actually believe such things, but it really is just nonsense. The people such as you mentioned often make
very rude and condescending statements and then claim that all they have been doing is so innocently 'asking
for some data', as you also say. This is not a formal peer reviewed scientific journal/forum, no matter what some people
here may imagine. No one is under any obligation here to supply any 'data' just because some full of them self person is
demanding it. I have seen time and time again where certain people here are making all sorts of arrogant and insulting
statements and unsupported accusations, and then when someone asks them to stop or gets annoyed with them, these
people gang up on that person and say how dare you attack us innocent people who have only been asking for a little data.
Who do you think you are fooling?

Some other people here have a technical background but do not get upset in the slightest if people do
not 'present data' or 'show proper measurements' or whatever else. Why is that? It is because they do not
have any investment in belief about whether over unity is possible or not. If I had a strong belief or inclination
that over unity was impossible, then I might also be motivated to start going around insulting and goading people
and 'demanding data' from people, and accusing all sorts of people of being frauds and scammers and what have
you even though I don't have any actual evidence to support such a claim. This is the way people commonly
act when they are trying to support a belief that is important to their world view. It is all about protecting a world view,
and in reality such behavior typically has little to do with just having an interest in seeing some 'data'.

When I see that people are making statements that they can't really support, I either just move on or
just point out that without some more clearly done experiments or proper measurements or whatever that
there is no way to see what is really going on there. If the person responds well to the suggestion, then great,
if they don't, then no worries, that is their own prerogative. Again, because I don't have any world view
that is threatened by someone making some claims about over unity, I have no motivation whatsoever
to start insulting such people or insinuating that they are frauds or idiots or anything else. That is what
it really boils down to in these informal discussion forums, and anyone who suggests otherwise is either
very dishonest, or very out of touch with reality.

Enough with the jihadism already. ;) All a person has to do is politely point out once that they don't think
there is sufficient reason to come to a conclusion that someone may have come to, and point out why they
think that, and if people are interested in their further opinions and advice they will ask for it. Let people learn
in their own way. The world will not end if people make some unsupported statements or make some improper
measurements. Not at all. :)

All the best...