Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[Pirate88179]

Tinman:

Great reply to my long posting and I pretty much agree with most of what you said.

This is off-topic, but I wanted to respond to this:

In essence, this is not true.

Everybody uses it to argue everything from magic energy from the ground, to super-luminal scalar waves, to magic resonating batteries, to Dini motors being over unity, the list is nearly endless.

However, it is not true.  It's one of the great gaffes that is used to justify any speculative cockamamie wonder stories that you can read on the forums.  All of those justifications for "believe my unfounded, no-evidence, crazy speculative theory" stories fall flat in a way because they are using a sample story that is not true.  It can get tiring to read it all the time!

When you have a free hour, I suggest that you research the subject and see what you find!

MileHigh

Very true.  The US government was working on heavier than air flight prior to the Wright Brothers.  I doubt that they would have worked on this project if the consensus was that it was impossible.  Many others were working on this as well. Even Leonardo had designs for heavier than air flight way back when.  The Wrights got there first, as we all know.

The other old tale is that the bumble bee can not fly according to modern aerodynamic theory.  This, of course, is not true at all either.   The flight of the bumble bee is easily explained by modern aerodynamic theory.  I have no idea where these false ideas get started but, you are correct in that we see them time and time again...and they are accepted as "truth".

I wonder if the Wrights had failed, if back then folks would have claimed that Big Railroad suppressed them?

Bill

[MileHigh]

I read the OUR forum thread on this.  Someone said that Clarence hasn't made any real measurements yet and he hasn't done any serious longer-time testing on the device.

If this is true, then what the hell is this statement from Clarence then?

I have attached the HOW, WHY, AND METHOD information I spoke of. please remind the members that there in no need for experimentation with this unit. if they will just look at the latest photo I have attached and do just like what they see it will work without a hitch.

We are back in La La Land, and I suppose that the enthusiasts will be in denial until the bitter end.

Why would you spend $2000 and dig up your back yard if no measurements have been made and no proof has been offered?  Instead of that, why not buy old P4 computers for $40 and fix them up and donate them to underprivileged children in your local area?  (Like I have done.)

Shaking my head....

[Pirate88179]

I read the OUR forum thread on this.  Someone said that Clarence hasn't made any real measurements yet and he hasn't done any serious longer-time testing on the device.

If this is true, then what the hell is this statement from Clarence then?

We are back in La La Land, and I suppose that the enthusiasts will be in denial until the bitter end.

Why would you spend $2000 and dig up your back yard if no measurements have been made and no proof has been offered?  Instead of that, why not buy old P4 computers for $40 and fix them up and donate them to underprivileged children in your local area?  (Like I have done.)

Shaking my head....

MH:

Wait.  Someone on EF actually asked (demanded) for measurements?  Well, that will be the end of that.  Clarence will most likely pull out of there as he did here.  We can not have folks asking for proof or measurements.  All that does is drive these inventors to other forums where this info is not asked for.  Worse case, it might make the inventor burn all of his notes and give up thereby depriving the world of yet another free energy device.

This is really sad.  I thought that EF banned those types of questions years ago.

What will Chet think about this?

Bill

[MileHigh]

Perhaps there are Inverse-MIB anti-measurement goon squads that patrol the forums that can track you down.

With respect to the EF, I don't know much about "magnetic maps" and they put one up for Australia.  I haven't researched what they are for and what they mean but I have some sneaking suspicions.   How do you use that map with respect to this project?  What are you supposed to do with the data?  How does that affect your grounding rod layout?  What is the relationship between the ambient magnetic field and your setup?

Will there be a serious discussion about this issue?  Or is it just a bunch of nonsensical and non-applicable fluff that doesn't even apply?  That's for the participants on the EF thread to determine for themselves.  In a related thought, there is nothing worse than BSing yourself.

Of course, the Earth's magnetic field is for all practical intents and purposes a very weak DC unchanging field.  Anybody that knows anything about magnetic fields know that in the vast majority of cases an unchanging DC magnetic field has zero affect on anything, it may as well not even be there.  It's one of the very first things you learn about magnetic fields.

So do you keep it real or do you just have a circle-jerk round of BSing?

[Void]

Sorry, but I'm in the middle of a big plant start up, with a lot of big medium voltage motors, vfd's, softstarters, plc and etc, and I don't have to much time to the forum.[/size]
As we guys know, I had my hands on Barbosa device. I tested it, I made measurements and I dissembled it as well. Probably I'm too DUMB to find how the device works, but something caught my the attention.
Why they installed a tc in the secondary to show high amps, other than lead people to get this high " amps" and multiply this value by the income voltage and say from there, that the device can "generate" high power?
I used a very good grounding system, close to a lake, several rods and very big cable. Also, through a  friend, I drew some circuits ( PWM's and oscillators) that was sent to Nilson.
Ariovaldo

Hi Ariovaldo.  I agree with you that it was very odd that they had the current transformer reading
the shorted secondary current. It doesn't seem to make sense. It seems a very suspicious thing to do.
I can't imagine what reason they would want to monitor that, unless it was to make sure the secondary
current doesn't exceed some maximum value, but it seems to me they could have a fuse or breaker for that.
All the best...