Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

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MH
You should LEVEL with us..
why are you so interested in stopping a group of grown men from
pursuing their hobby ?

this is their time their money their interest..
LEVEL with us why the concern??
Clarence asks for no Money and is sharing ALL
the details..no secrets..
LEVEL with us why the big concern??

[MileHigh]

Okay, here we go again.

Look at the case of Rosemary Ainslie.  Why did Poynt99 invest all that energy in that?  What about TK, he was also along for the debate for the long haul.  Why did Poynt99 and TK and others debate with her?

None of us had anything to gain, so why did we do it?

How about a famous quote:  There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

What's wrong with dreaming about somebody that comes forward with a free energy proposition where they are credible and demonstrate competency in the subject matter, they are forthcoming and are cooperative when it comes to sharing data, and they give convincing and credible demonstrations?  Why not?

Is there anything wrong with that?

You note that it took something like 2 1/2 years to finally get credible data from Rosemary's proposition, and it showed that there was nothing there.  The pulsing inductive resistor was not a source of energy at all.

Look, Level's reasonable questions and concerns have been shot down (again) by the person called Desa:

Your concerns are perfectly legit. After many years of Milows disapointments I have seen clame after claim and nothing came out of it. I would presume that interested experimenter can see trough the smoke and inuendos. For newcomers it is valuable expiriance if thay finally get to build something. Who says it has to work first time. As for the Clarence I commend him for sticking out whit all the occasional poking and bagering. In time we all are going to see the the results of his work. Only than we can judge him as being honest and respected gentlemen or som fly by night soon to be forgotten. Personally I think he owes us nothing.
It is his claim an it is up to us grownups to decide if we are willing to except his lead or not. If it turns to be working device I think it is wort to go trough the expiriance. Finally  who says that he has to spell it out with all the data. Perhaps he cannt. Would you be so brave to stick your neck out and risk big brother messing out with your last supper. Power is in numbers. Info is out and that is enough for now. Coach is here, use ocasion to replicate any way you can. Tomorrow he may be gone and with him all he knows. Instead of bagering ask valid questions and let the time do its dance.

So, Clarence gets to hide again because somebody made a posting that shot down Level's posting.  People can sometimes be their own worst enemy.

I do it mainly out of principle.  Someone is saying nonsense and trying to get others to replicate his nonsense, very possibly because that someone has psychological issues.  Not to mention also that his pitch is an insult to science and engineering and logical thinking.  I have nothing to gain, is there something wrong with that?

You know the old thing where if you are driving and pass through a speed trap, you then flash your headlights to the oncoming cars.  Why do you flash your headlights?

Failure to speak out against quackery is a dangerous thing.  Just like Desa's brand of willful suspension of common sense is a dangerous thing.

I just choose to do it for the same reasons I chose to do it for Rosemary Ainslie.  I don't have to have some fantastic reason.

It's frustrating to see the "suspension of disbelief" among the the people that want to replicate, or the supporters of the proposition.  This is not a science fiction movie with phasers set on stun, this is a grown man stating that an arrangement of two toroidal transformers that is nothing more than electronics quackery will produce free energy.

I can't physically stop anybody from going forward with this project.  But what I can do is state that it is complete nonsense and back up my reasons with logic, which is something that Clarence can't do.

Anybody:  How do you apply your location on the geomagnetic map with respect to this project?  Explain the rationale, I am curious to know how that works.

Definition of Quackery:

<<< Quackery is the promotion of fraudulent or ignorant medical practices. A "quack" is a "fraudulent or ignorant pretender to medical skill" or "a person who pretends, professionally or publicly, to have skill, knowledge, or qualifications he or she does not possess; a charlatan".  >>>

[mscoffman]

Here is the big profound thought of the day for our friends on the Energetic Forum thread:

I have a toroid and the primary winding on the coil is "clockwise."

If I reverse the two wires I have connected to the "clockwise" primary coil, then it looks exactly like a counter-clockwise wound coil even though it is wound "clockwise."

Hence:  It does not matter if the primary or the secondary windings are "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise."  All that you have to do is make the proper connections to the coils with your two wires to get the results you are looking for.

That's why for transformers we use the "dot convention."  The dot convention eliminates the mass confusion.

P.S.:  You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know this.  All that you have to do is apply the right-hand rule.

2 points for MH is correct, 0 points for know-nothings. You'd think they are working on homopolar generators or something.

[MileHigh]

Speaking of quackery, lets examine the issue of the coil of neutral wire that wraps around the secondary wire of the captor.

It's not any kind of transformer coupling, it does not cut any real amount of flux due to the high AC currents (their existence may be confirmed if they resolve the mass confusion about how to wire the primaries and secondaries of the captor) in the captor secondary loop.

So what does the loop of neutral wire do?   It's clearly not a transformer coupling, so what does it do?

Let's suppose you set up an experiment.  You get a straight length of wire and you do some kind of a transformer setup (for example coupled with a variac) to get 10 AC amps RMS going through the straight length of wire.  Then wrap a coil of wire around that, just like the coiled neutral wired in Clarence's setup.

Put your scope on the two terminals of the coiled neutral wire.   What are you going to see?   You will most likely see a vestigial very low voltage AC sine wave representing a feeble pick up of some coupled flux from the straight wire.  Now put a 1K resistor across the two terminals of the coiled wire.  Chances are that 1K load resistor will short out the feeble low voltage AC waveform.

For all practical intents and purposes, there is no relationship between the straight wire with 10 AC amps RMS of current flow and the coiled neutral wire.  They may as well be completely disconnected.  One cannot affect the other in any significant way.

You can short the two ends of the coiled neutral wire and repeat the same process but this time measure the current and you will get similar results.

This is real-world physics and electronics, THE TRUTH.  There is no "bending of the truth" for B&L or for Clarence.  The coiled neutral wire around the captor loop secondary is nonsense, it does nothing - it is electronics quackery.

Just go ahead if you doubt me and do the experiment for yourself.

[Pirate88179]

So is this.  Unless, of course, looping the wire and placing it on the power supply creates O.U.

Bill