Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[NickZ]

  If I can help with that, in the future, just let me know.  I'm not banned from EF, as yet.
  No, I didn't download it in time, either before he "dumped" it,  maybe someone else did though.

  There may be some people, like in Brazil, that are using similar type of systems to tie into the grid, run earth grounds, and are able to extract enough power from their set up, that it reduces their power meter bills.  OR NOT?
  Can someone confirm this?  Especially if it has to do with what may be going on in this thread.
 

[TinselKoala]

  If I can help with that, in the future, just let me know.  I'm not banned from EF, as yet.
  No, I didn't download it in time, either before he "dumped" it,  maybe someone else did though.

  There may be some people, like in Brazil, that are using similar type of systems to tie into the grid, run earth grounds, and are able to extract enough power from their set up, that it reduces their power meter bills.  OR NOT?
  Can someone confirm this?  Especially if it has to do with what may be going on in this thread.

Single Wire Earth Return power systems, as in Brazil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return
Yes, reduce your power +meter+ bills by bypassing the meter..... and call that Overunity!

[NickZ]

   Ok, thanks.  Yes, some would call it stealing, but are there really laws against it. What one does in ones own property, once past the power meter box, may not be stopped. Or, are there laws in Brazil, and other countries about that, in particular? 
In any case,  I'm certainly not promoting that. Nor trying to discuss that topic.
  The point being that IF it works, it works, and although not overunity, as such, it can save some people some money.
And I'm all for saving people money,  However, That is not my plan though, so don't start up at me.
  WE or at least I want to see if it works on batteries, as well.
It may take letting the battery recharge itself at night, when little or no power is being drawn from the battery.
   

[mscoffman]

I think Telluric ground currents would give the electric utilities some legal pause, since they overlap
in the ground loop and you would be receiving these too in parallel. You may be able to
get a partial waver to extract a percentage of power you receive from the captor loop.

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I don't want to agree with MH's number but why would a one ohm internal impedance stop
one from receiving lots of energy especially since the direct output of the ground array is initially
current? I think this is "secret" of the captor.

I also stressed the possibility that their may be some energy focusing because
array rod configuration. If focusing was *not* a factor I think a grounds array
would be symmetric...But as it is it is highly asymmetric.

..S..MarkSCoffman

[MileHigh]

I think Telluric ground currents would give the electric utilities some legal pause, since they overlap
in the ground loop and you would be receiving these too in parallel. You may be able to
get a partial waver to extract a percentage of power you receive from the captor loop.

..S..MarkSCoffman

In a single wire earth return system, telluric ground currents will not overlap in the ground loop and throw off the electric utilities.  One more time we are back to the concepts of basic circuit analysis.  The physical ground acts like an electrical ground - the simple model is a sea of electrons at ground potential.  Note that since all the electrons are at ground potential they are useless and you can't extract any energy from them.

Let's say the single wire earth return system carries 100 amps of DC current at very high potential through the line.  That means that at the receiving end the 100 amps comes in and all of the energy is stripped off of the electrons as they drop in potential as they run through the power conversion system to produce regular mains power.  At the receiving end the 100 amps of current go back into the ground.  The electrons are spent, they have lost all of their voltage (hence energy) where they are dumped back into the ground.

You can say the ground is a "sea of electrons" or you can be more accurate.  The electrons that are dumped into the ground have a very feeble amount of residual energy left in them.  Then just line spawning salmon, they fan out in all directions and slowly creep their way back through the physical ground to make their way back to the power source.  The power source "shoots them back up the elevator" and they travel thorough the high-voltage line again.

In other words, it's a current loop, just like any other current loop in a circuit on your breadboard.  Your own power supply is the "elevator" and the exact same process takes place.  In one branch of a circuit on your breadboard, it can be part of two separate current loops in the circuit, and at quiescence (stable operation) one current loop will not affect the other current loop.

Likewise, telluric currents may be creeping through the physical ground and they have absolutely nothing to do with the current loop associated with the single wire earth return system.

You have to understand the basics and shake the superstition and propensity to make invalid connections that simply aren't true.

MileHigh