Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte

[norman6538]

Excellent drawing to show the concept but the validation will be in the measurements of the moved magnet and the work gained from the attraction. I used the undercarriage from a matchbox car for the moving magnet and measured the weight x distance to get the work required and compared that to the work done from the attraction......
If the work done from the attraction is greater than the work required to move the magnet
then you will be very famous Butch. But the next bugaboo is to reset the mechanism so the movement can be repeated...
I'll be very busy for a week and somewhat out of contact.
Good luck all.

Norman

[lumen]

Yes, if everything works as shown, that could already be a gravity wheel.

[gammarayburst]

Hi Bruce
  I've been thinking about how to make use of your idea, and attached is a diagram of a piston motor that perhaps could work using the principle.

It's just a schematic...
- Would probably not want iron below the piston?
- Would need magnets on the other side too - so the flux flows through the iron (I think)
- Would need a pendulum magnet on both sides (connected via a shaft)

Regards
Tim

PS - To be quite honest, I don't know if it would work better with magnets both sides or not... It may be worse... Opposing magnets each side maybe?

Bruce, have you tested these 3 arrangements against each other?
- single magnets on one side
- attracting magnets through the metal
- repelling magnets " " "

Tim, I need a better drawing with a couple of more views. I'm having trouble seeing exactly how it is configured. Thanks, Butch

[gammarayburst]

Now put a magnet working in attraction on a rotor in the middle of this and it will follow the bulge.
Butch
See attached

[tim123]

Hi Butch, (soz abt the name confusion) more diagrams attached. Hopefully will clarify what I'm thinking...
- psolid-3.gif - A side view of the above design.
- psolid-4.gif - Front view. A diagram showing the pendulum & piston movement.

Notes:
- I've only got the one central iron block, with opposing magnets either side. It's kinda the opposite of how you put the magnets between 2 blocks.
- However, there could be an iron outer-casing to balance the forces on the moving magnets on the pendulum.
- I used a pendulum just as an example. It would need to be a rotating disc in a real machine.
- In a real machine you'd probably want to have 4 or more inward facing pistons, and a central crank, with the moving magnets on a rotating disc - attached to the crank.
- The piston should never touch the block.
- The piston should not go out so far that it exposes the pendulum magnet
- Webby (in another thread) told me that opposing fields will bring the piston in with more force. I tested it, and it's true.
- I *assume* that putting opposing fields through the piston will cause it to exit the block. It's a reasonably safe assumption I think.

Regards
Tim

PS: In your design above - I think the rotor magnets might prevent the blocks from returning to their original positions. As the rotor magnet will be closer - and presumably facing the block - it could probably overpower the other magnet...?