Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks

[ariovaldo]

Hi Farmham,

thanks for your post.

If I had an electrical device operating on reactive power and an oscilloscope was attached to measure the voltage and current, what would the scope shot look like?

Thanks for your help

Luc

Ok, I'll gave my face to be punched.. and probably I'll be called crazy, but doesn't matter....
One year ago I started a project and I stopped before to test. I got sick and I could barely walk.
Anyway. The project is similar to this one and I have 2 options:
1) Disassemble ( is in the back yard and my wife is mad with me)
2) Go ahead and test, making the necessaries changes to speed up to the nominal generator speed. ( I need to review the sheaves sizes)
The motor is a 4 poles, single phase 1 hp. The generator is 7.5 kw.
What do you think?

[Liberty]

Guy's
Please tell me your not falling for this one?.
As tinu said-one short piece of wood under one set of legs,and a long piece that go's under a box,under the table.Motor power cable inside box section,so as cant be seen where it is running-through to the switch and down the leg,then under the board to a power supply i suspect.
Take note of how much energy(power) was required to build the flywheel speed up to running speed. Once up to speed,you now have one large energy reserve.
The angle grinder may be rated at 2000 watt's,but will not draw that much when up and running,unless fully loaded down. Only a short burst of high startup current would have been required to get the grinder up to speed. Using the grinder as he was,would not use any where near it's rated power capacity.Same go's for the table saw-a quick burst of startup current(dampend by the flywheel),then a small piece of wood cut.
Then when he used the welder,you could hear the flywheel winding down quickly-this is why he only did a few quick runs with the welder.

This is clearly a fake-scam,and the warranty would only cover parts-not a Guarantee of a self runner.
Every part in that setup runs at a loss,as far as mechanical to electrical go's.
Electric motor=loss,due to heat disipation and ohmic losses
Bearing's=loss,due to heat and friction
Belts=loss,due to heat and friction
Generator=loss,due to heat and ohmic losses
Flywheel=loss-due to air friction.A flywheel will only ever give back what you put into it-nothing more.

Your first look should be to find where gains might be made. If you only come up with losses(as listed above)and no gains-then you have your answer.

My 2 cents worth about why conventional generators/alternators can not produce more energy out than in.

When a magnet source (either magnet or electromagnetic coil source) passes by a wire or coil, the higher the efficiency of the generator (the better the magnetic coupling) the more it loads down the source that turns the generator.  Imagine a magnet passing by a coil.  The source will always be greater than the coil output due to air gap and resistance of wire and other losses.  The better the magnetic coupling (the higher quality the generator/alternator), the more physical resistance will be coupled back to the movement of the magnetic source. 

Therefore, the output of a standard generator/alternator will always be less than the input required (always under-unity).  Adding a flywheel can help absorb peak load usage from the generator, to help maintain average speed, but adds no energy to the system.  It only stores previous energy input from the source, having the effect of leveling or averaging out the output under a pulse load.

The only way a generator can perform OU is to stop or reduce the counter magnetic force or magnetic drag of the electromagnet that generates power output.  That is where my research is centered.

[tinu]

Tinu, could you please translate what he is taking about in this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PFeFyKSOrHU#t=11

This video seems to be before he built the device and he seems to be describing how he is going to build it with the parts in his workshop.

Thanks

Luc

Ok, Luc.
(And I apologies for misspelling your username on my previous post!)

In the video various generators are being shown.
First one is a dynamo of 28kW based on Nd magnets that delivers either 690V or 400V (+/- 5% he says). Then it's functioning is demonstrated by hand cranking, on a load of 2.5kW Bosch Flex. He explains the setup, estimating an rpm not more than 50 and specifying that only one of three phases is used. It is recommended by the inventor to be used for hydraulic or water turbines or windmills or "perpetual"(lol). The inventor's words are "perpetual, for those who understand what perpetual means".

Then he moves to the second generator, which is 7.5kW at 300 rpm, based on Nd magnets too. "Low rpm, high energy production". Then, after excusing for not having prepared a better setup, he demonstrates it's functioning with a 12V/21W bulb, with emphasis on the small movement of the rotor and the possibility of exceeding 21W and thus of burning out the bulb. This one can also be used for hydraulic or water turbines or windmills. (No "perpetual" this time?! Why?! )

Now, he moves on that paper listing the generators and he invites interested persons to get in contact with him.

Translation of the paper:

"INSTALLATIONS FOR YOUR OWN ELECTRICAL ENERGY  (note: hand writing on top; actually the wording is unclear/poorly chosen in Romanian language, the exact three words are "installations", "current", "own")

T.M.V.

Installation of 3000W – 4000EUR
Installation of 5000W – 7000EUR
Installation of 20kW – 20.000EUR
Installation of 30kW – 25.000EUR
Installation of 50kW – 35.000EUR
Installation of 100kW – 45.000EUR

Guarantees: 5 years

Alternating current 220V-380V 120A 240A

We'll fulfill the orders only after 60% of the contract value is paid in advance. Manufacture will be completed in 60 days after signing the contract.

The beneficiary obliges himself to make available an indoor surface of 10 sqm for the equipments to be installed for him.

..."

There are two more paragraphs written with smaller fonts but I can not read them accurately – they are about the obligations of the supplier.

Then he presents their capability of delivering solar systems and he moves onto describing the "original" 165W Japanese ("Not Chinese!") solar panel.
On the end he explains the contractual terms (basically what's on the paper), the advance payment of 60% and the final payment of 40% after the installation in completed. However, he is saying that manufacture may take up to but no longer than 90 days (that would be due to the parts that need to be purchased). All components are new (no second hand). He also shows the three-phase station and he ends with their capabilities of manufacturing electrical systems appropriate for regular houses, cabins and even hotels, in the range of up to 100kW.

Sorry, but there are no clues on the energy generation out of nothing...

My personal feeling (and here I admit I may be wrong but I've seem the same case a few times already) is that they are the typical hard-working and intrepid kind-of-fellows but only with a moderate level of education (possibly as electrical or electro-mechanical technicians) who just have learn something leading them to believe that motor-generator combination can be made perpetual. It may be the case they are no aiming to fraud (I hope) but instead they're so confident their setup will somehow work (if stronger magnets or larger windings are to be used etc), up to the point they already declare having it done and thus filming the other (and fake, imho) movie on their website. By the pronunciation, accent and wordings, I suspect they've come only relatively recent to work with NdFeB magnets and with their use in PM generators.

Best regards,
Tinu

[e2matrix]

Everyone please take a look at this.   It explains why there can be Over Unity in the Flyweel:
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm

[e2matrix]

Hi tinu,  thanks for taking time to write out everything in that video.   Rather than trying to communicate further with this inventor with Google Translate I'll leave it up to you to contact him by email if you decide you want to.   His email is on his web site and it works but his contact direct through the web site did not seem to work for me so just email him if you want to.   It would be great if you could ask a few questions since you have the same language maybe he will be more open to answering some questions.   I still have hope that he may have stumbled on to the effect I believe others have found and is related to info in my previous post from this web site: 
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm


ariovaldo,   That's nice what you have built and it would be a shame to not test it after all that work.   Please continue with your project if possible while staying out of trouble with the wife     Your setup looks good but I'm not sure you will see COP > 1 without having some way of controlling the input motor (pulsing circuit or some way to create a timing for energy use versus energy extraction).