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Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.

Started by synchro1, September 30, 2013, 01:47:45 PM

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synchro1

Quote from: conradelektro on December 15, 2013, 06:55:49 AM
This is a nice theory and I am willing to give it a try. But I am not willing to disrupt my life because of this theory (I have other things to do as well). So, it will take time while I slowly build my stuff and report what I see.

It is very nice and considerate of you to freely share your thoughts and I appreciate that. Please have patience and please correct any errors I do while building.

Would be nice if other experimenters went into that area as well. It is fairly easy to build a magnet spinner and more talented people can surly build better spinners than me. Once there is a magnet spinner (spinning a diametrically magnetised ring magnet, take a fairly big one) one can easily put a "synchro coil" near it.

My little theory is that the drive electronics should consume as little electricity as you can manage. Burning many Watts for driving the spinner will be extremely difficult to recuperate with a generator coil (no matter how ever magic the generator coil will be). You can use the OpAmp circuit TinselKoala showed in this thread. The Bedini style circuits use too much electric energy according to my unimportant opinion. One could also use the two transistor circuit I show in my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQSJjRJ6EQ . If I recall correctly, Lidmotor and others used it for a magnet spinner (I never did).

I believe in a drive coil and trigger coil without core and very many turns of wire, which means the coil will have a high DC resistance (which is easy to measure). My trick is to take such coils out of relays (24V or 48V relays, I have shown them in this thread and else where http://www.overunity.com/13852/self-accelerating-reed-switch-magnet-spinner/msg378662/#msg378662 ). These coils lead to a low power draw (but the torque of the spinner will be low as well). But if there is no or only little "Lenz Drag", we do not need high torque (turning strength) to induce current into a "synchro coil".

Just keep in mind that the spinning magnet should be a single magnet. I had two and more of them as a stack on the axis and you can only spin it by having the drive and trigger coil extremely to one side (operating only on the last magnet in the stack from the side). A stack of diametrically magnetised ring magnets has a strange magnetic field around it. The poles are alternating as I indicated in the drawing of this post http://www.overunity.com/13852/self-accelerating-reed-switch-magnet-spinner/msg379579/#msg379579 (top left corner on the photo).

Greetings, Conrad


"Would be nice if other experimenters went into that area as well. It is fairly easy to build a magnet spinner and more talented people can surly build better spinners than me. Once there is a magnet spinner (spinning a diametrically magnetised ring magnet, take a fairly big one) one can easily put a "synchro coil" near it".


I want to re-enforce what Conradelektro suggests here and assure everyone that I am willing to help supply guidance to anyone willing to try. This is an open source project, too simple to patent.


Synchro1

conradelektro

I was over engineering the drive circuit, a simple transistor circuit does it better (see the attached circuit and photos).

I will now solder this very simple drive circuit two times (one for each model) and start with winding a "synchro coil". The "synchro coil" will have six diametrically magnetised ring magnets (10-5-5 mm) as a removable "tube magnet core": 10 mm diameter, length 30 mm, bore hole diameter 5 mm.

Spinning the rather big magnet (on the axis) with 14 mW (10 Volt, 1.4 mA power supply) at 1500 rpm should immediately show if the "synchro coil" is worth its theory.

It should be easy now to replicate this simple drive circuit (other transistors like 2N3904 or 2N2222) should do as well (but I did not try yet).

If you build a horizontal spinner with magnet bearings, the axis has to be rather long and non-magnetic.

If you build a vertical spinner with a needle bearing below (use a non magnetic brass bolt) and a simple hole at the upper end of the axis, the axis can be a steel needle and should be much shorter than in my build. I recommend a vertical spinner with a needle bearing, much easier to build and coils can be nicely placed around it.

Greetings, Conrad

synchro1


Here's a video exploring Wesley Gary's Neutral Zone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3qY4nzMew


Another very good short video demonstrating the polarity shift:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6QQ9i6siGM


Quote from Conradelektro:


"You have to play around a bit to become aware of it. It is not immediately evident, because it is such a small region where one can feel the repelling without doubt. When the spin-Magnet is stationary the attraction is everywhere, such easy to see". 





synchro1

A small Shirazee design levitator could be placed at a distance from the base of the coil, against a peg fastened axial disk magnet to keep the diametric core stack positioned precisely in the optimal neutral zone polarity shift output area, not from optical data, but from output power feedback. This kind of self tuning positioner would perfect the generator.


Tinselkoala and Milehigh could probably handle that end of the design with another Op-Amp. This new type of Hendershot output coil together with their revoloutionary power circuit would probably make nuclear fission obsolete.    

conradelektro

@synchro1: very interesting info.

For the first tests I will try to position the "synchro coil" by hand, which I think I can do up to a 1 mm precision. Yesterday I tried shortly to find the sweet spot with the horizontal model. It is further away from the spinning magnet than one likes to think (some 80 mm). I guess it depends on the strength of the spinning magnet and of the strength of the coil magnet (the strange "tube magnet" with the alternating poles).

There is unfortunately a practical problem. The Christmas season bogs me down with many social obligations and I can not do much tinkering at the moment. This will probably last till the new year. Be patient, I will not give up this project, but I am slow. May be some one can beat me to it?

I tried to find some useful information about Hendershot:

http://www.svensons.com/Energy/hendershot.html

http://www.rexresearch.com/hendershot2/hendershot.htm

The patent might have been filed, but was never published as far as I could find out using this:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP

Well, very mysterious, very strange, little useful information, but we will crack it, one way or the other.

Synchro1, may be you want to give us a reason why you are not building such a device, you sound so confident that it works? Never mind if there are personal reasons which you do not want to talk about. But technical reasons might be helpful for others.

Greetings, Conrad