Building a self looping "SMOT"

[TinselKoala]

The ball has both kinetic and potential energy-the ball is moving,and gravity is acting apon it.
Force has direction associated to it,and a given force over time requires a given amount of energy.

What part dont you understand?.

Again... wrong. A given force acting over a _distance_ requires a given amount of energy. Work, with the same units as Energy, is Force x Distance, there is no time element involved until you start talking about power.

Are you sitting down? Feel the force from the chair pressing against your bottom? Does that force do more and more work, expending more and more energy, the longer you sit there? No, it doesn't, because it isn't moving anything. You can apply force all day long without using any energy, as long as you aren't moving something. This is why rocks, sitting on the ground, don't get tired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_%28physics%29

[tinman]

Tinman asked,
"So the correction would be,if our ball slows by 1/2 of it's speed makeing that 90* turn,then we have lost 4x the kinetic energy that ball had-Did i get that right?."

Well, that's not quite the way I'd put it in words. If you lose 1/2 the speed, you wind up with 1/4 the KE remaining. 

For example, if you have a 1 kilogram mass and you are first going 2 m/sec, your KE is (1kg x 2 m/sec x 2 m/sec)/2 or 2 Joules. If you slow down to 1 m/sec your KE is (1kg x 1 m/sec x 1 m/sec)/2 or 0.5 Joule. Half the speed = a quarter the KE.

I'll watch the video _yet again_ with an eye to what you are looking at, but I still think some of your basic assumptions are wrong, and so it is likely that you and I will interpret what we are seeing differently.

(Please check my math, I'm notorious for misplacing decimals or forgetting to divide by two in the KE calculation).
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Yes, 1/4  thanks for clearing that up. Sometimes i know what i mean,but word it wrong-we all make mistakes.
My aim is to take away this loss,and it can be done by the action takeing place within the smot.This is the potential energy source i am waiting for some one else to see within the smot. It may give you a better chance if you watch michael's video's,to see this potential,as the video i posted has a very short ramp.
If we can some how remove that  loss of kinetic energy in the ball,would that be enough to have the ball escape the magnetic field at the same level as the starting point of the track?.

[TinselKoala]

@tinman: Ok, I've watched the short video again, several times.

Do you remember pinball machines? The kind where you pull back on a spring-loaded plunger, release it, it strikes a ball and propels it upward into the game field?

When you use your hands to place the ball in the starting position you are storing energy in the system, just as if you were pulling back the pinball machine's plunger. If your red magnet blocks were inert, and you attached a rubber band across them like a slingshot, and launched the ball that way, it would be pretty much the same thing. When you release the ball, the stored energy (Magnetic potential energy) causes the ball to accelerate. It has enough momentum to go past "bottom dead center" a bit... where it suddenly encounters the cliff and falls down. You could have made this downfall arbitrarily high and thus accelerated the ball very fast, and then it would go much farther once it hit the horizontal part of the track. But once again... this is only returning the stored GPE that you put into the ball by raising it up to the top starting point. So your hand is storing two quantities of energy in the ball when you place it in the start position: GPE due to its height above the end point, and MPE due to its distance from the "sticky point" where the ball would come to rest if it didn't fall off the cliff.

I see no mechanism for energy gain in the system, other than a re-use of Mister Hand to reposition the ball.

Furthermore, in your nice diagrams where you use arrows to point out "energy transfer" you really are thinking of momentum, I think, not energy. Believe it or not, momentum is absolutely conserved, so when your ball makes the right-angle turn, you are actually causing the Earth to move a bit in the opposite direction.

[JouleSeeker]

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I see no mechanism for energy gain in the system, other than a re-use of Mister Hand to reposition the ball.
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And that is why, if there is energy gain as the object passes through the SMOT, we would consider that energy gain "anomalous".  But we cannot say in advance that there are NO untapped energy sources in nature to be uncovered -- do you agree we can not rule out novel (currently untapped) sources of energy?

  From you earlier link:

"The PM enthusiasts claim that the SMOT increases the energy of a ball moving through it. That's the claim we must test. Friction can never be completely eliminated in any mechanical system. So we arrange a way to move a ball through the smot, then do the same motion through the same space without the smot in place. We then compare the performance with and without the SMOT. If conventional physics is applicable, the performance should be no better (and probably somewhat worse) with the SMOT than without it....

With the SMOT in place, a similar set of repeated measurements is made. The error limits are determined. If the performance in the two cases [control and SMOT] differs by an amount greater than the error limits, and the difference favors the SMOT, then we might have something going on that is worth further investigation. But if the difference is within the error limits, or if the difference favors the case without the SMOT, then the fantastic claims of the SMOT are not supported.

The "black box" labeled "SMOT" in the diagram may be replaced by any magical device that is claimed to boost or increase energy of material objects passing through it.

At least he allows for the experimental possibility that the SMOT may "boost or increase energy of material objects passing through it."  Do you?

Unless you are saying that we now know EVERYTHING about Nature, no surprises left, no possibility of anomalous or untapped energy entering into the system...

[tinman]

Quote TK: Furthermore, in your nice diagrams where you use arrows to point out "energy transfer" you really are thinking of momentum, I think, not energy. Believe it or not, momentum is absolutely conserved, so when your ball makes the right-angle turn, you are actually causing the Earth to move a bit in the opposite direction.

Yes exactly,and this is what i said in my post about that drawing.We loose energy from the ball(because we loose momentum in the ball),as it is transfered to the ground.As the earth is so large,we wouldnt notice the energy transfer-just like the slingshot effect around a planet or moon.

This is the very thing i want to eliminate. I dont want the ball trying to move the earth,i want that energy there to escape the magnetic field at the end of the ramp.

The means to eliminate that right angle already exist in the smot device(the inclined ramp type).
If you watch the action taking place once the ball starts rolling,and note everything that is happening from begining to end,then you will see how we can do this,or maybe you wont. Either way,the means is there at no extra energy cost to the system.