Building a self looping "SMOT"

[MeggerMan]

Hi Elecar,
You said you did not want to post the video of it running just yet, but could you post just the sound of it running continuously?


What size is your magnet array (width and depth)?
When you said you start with 2, 4,6 and 8 magnets, are they arranged in portrait orientation to the track and stacked one in front of the other?
When looking from above do the magnets present a stepped face or flat face to the track?


Have you opted to make the rails from 2 individual strips of metal to make a rail track?
How wide are your rails spaced?


Thanks
Meggerman

[gyulasun]

Anyhow I believe the "high road low road effect is probably the way to get some work from the ramp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2QPMO6bo4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzZ9AKwZw28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoOtDBCJ7T0

Hi elecar,

The "high road low road effect" is based the so called "brachistochrone curve" or curve of fastest descent  i.e. find the path that will carry a point-like body from place (A) to place (B) in the least amount of time.  The name of the fastest path curve is the cycloid.

So a point-like body starts sliding from rest and accelerated by gravity will slip (without friction) from one point to another in the least time.  Great minds like Galileo, Bernoulli, Newton, Leibniz etc were all challenged to solve the problem and they did by finding the curve cycloid. See some further historical info on this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachistochrone_curve and a few math animations are here:  http://curvebank.calstatela.edu/brach/brach.htm   

Unfortunately, conventional science explains the faster speed at point (B) by starting out from the law of energy  conversation: the sum of the potential energy and the kinetic energy is constant... at least I found a paper which deals with that: http://www.osaka-ue.ac.jp/file/general/4588

I fail to understand why the higher speed of the ball which arrives at point B earlier has no higher kinetic energy than the ball arriving to the same point B at a smaller speed... I am not good at understanding the Euler-Lagrange equations solved in the above paper, why are solved as shown, given that integral and diffential equations can have several conditions... 

Definitely further measurements are needed, especially energy-wise (because measurements have been shown on the arriving speeds) and nobody should be discouraged to test a cycloid curve which is embedded into the return path of a SMOT or similar setups.

Gyula

[conradelektro]

Same game, same torrent of words, same lack of proof, same appearance of believers:

I really do not understand why the same sick game can be played over and over in this forum.

There appears an impossible claim, no proof is forwarded, thousands of words are offered instead.

The self proclaimed inventor wants to be a teacher, teaching the impossible without supporting his teachings with tangible proof. Drawings are no proof.

Nevertheless, some people appear who start to fight for the impossible claim. And these new recruits fight nastier than the self proclaimed inventor.

It is the same sad story as always.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Attached please see my new house in Vienna. I heat the house with an OU-heating system. The proof lies in the fact that I could not afford conventional heating (oil, gas or wood) with such a big house. I filed a patent and can not show you the OU-heating system before the patent is granted and some investors are found. I now tell you how you can build this OU-heating system: the system has to put out more heat than you put in!

[gyulasun]

Dear Conrad,

Normally I give the benefit of doubt for such claims and eventually only time will tell. You are right in that so far the claims have remained for long, no any setup or device have been shown capable of performing the claims.

Sorry if I was the last drop of water into your glass and your glass has become full. 

Greetings,  Gyula

[elecar]

Hi Meggerman, I shall post a picture of the magnet array for you tomorrow, it will be my final post as far as help and advice goes until I post the video of my unit self looping.

Hi Gyula, thank you for the high road low road info, it is way above my head. I am content enough knowing it does what it does.


Hi Conrad, I really did not set out to be a "teacher" to anyone. Although you mock about patents, I am not here to find some magic free energy device or overunity device for "the good of mankind". I have an interest in playing with magnets period.
I managed to do something which I felt was worth a patent, and so thats the route I took. Before I posted anything here I made sure I had that protection in place and I have a company who are interested in the device. I have never offered any parts, plans or anything else on here in exchange for money, not now, and not in the future.
However I take on board what you say, and to that end I will not post anymore details until the day I post the video of my unit running. There are enough details in the thread for anyone to replicate the effect and that will suffice for now.

PS: That is a nice home you have.