Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO

[TinselKoala]

Thank you,

We were hiding in a shed for safety.
The time difference in building the frame, i didn't know, thx
A clear explanation, but
There are buts :
1 The purple anomaly reflects me, crouched filming in the doorway of the shed, how is that possible?

Can you show a frame that shows this reflection effect? I don't think that it is possible, after all. Is it possible that you are projecting the pattern of the reflection from your mind, like seeing rabbits or sheep in clouds, Jesus on a tortilla?

2 The cirkel you see around the anomaly is also moving toward the bag (see frame 2 attached) from point of ignition inside the shed

It is moving _up_ in the frame, which makes it appear to be moving closer to the bag. As I noted, I see the same effect with bright abrupt flashes in my video camera too. Don't forget that the camera may also be interlacing data from two complete frames (or half-frames really) for your display.
I've attached some examples from a Bonetti machine video I made some time ago. You can see the actual location of the sparks, always between the spheres at the top. You can also see the false image, well below, and I also managed to capture one false image _above_ the true spark location. This is all a result of the camera's scan, interlacing and frame rate.

3 Sound of implosion has 3 peaks and you do not hear a simular sound by the explosion, no echo, a complete different sound

The implosion is a much more abrupt event making a sharper "bang", so you hear echos. The explosion takes much longer, in fact it's more of a deflagration than a detonation, so it's possible that the echo is washed out, blended with the overall sound.

I believe there's more to it, when you look at the flash of the implosion, it looks electrical.
There will be a next experiment with a hs-cam, hopefully.

I will be very interested to see your results using a high speed camera.

If you ignite pure HHO you always get an implosion, take a vacuum (little)sandwichbag; fill it with HHO (high quality cell needed, no 'steamer')
and put it under water and ignite, then you see an implosion.
When you have just a little air in the bag before filling; you will have an explosion when ignited, with watermist the
expansion is maximized by at least factor 1600 dep. on temp.

I'm glad you realize that many high-volume electrolysis cells are "steamers" that are actually superheating water between the electrodes and producing significant steam volume, not just hydrogen and oxygen, in the output. This steam can happen even if the cell itself feels "cool", and it has fooled a lot of people into thinking their cells are OU, based on volume of output.

You seem to know your chemistry, so you know that a mole of any gas, monoatomic or diatomic or complex molecules, at standard temperature and pressure, occupies 22.4 liters. So if you split water, H₂O, and the gases combine into the normal "H₂" and "O₂" diatomic species as they come off the electrodes in the cell, you get two moles of H₂ hydrogen and one mole of O₂ oxygen, totalling 67.2 liters, for every 2 moles (36 grams) of water you split. But if you are producing H, H, and O, monoatomic gases HHO, then you should get three moles of gas, 67.2 liters, for every ONE mole of water you split. Right?

[HARLIN]

Ok, it's possible i see Elvis taking a picture in this reflection , minds can play tricks
i agree, it still looks like a reflection of me, but you have a point there and you know
a lot more of cams and the way these work.

So, we'll see what a hs cam will show us, when i have one i will share the pics.
I thank you for the explanation.
What do you think of the flash in the first frame of the implosion?

The steamers i am talking about, represent >99% of the cells you can buy in one of the many webshops
on the web, they can feel cold and still produce steam: yes, because most of them have hotspots in the neutral plates:
They won't stay cold for a long time though, besides focault currents the currentleakage in those spots will eventually heat up plates and electrolyte.
Much heat is produced inside the holes of a neutral plate see pic, where the 'line' between pos en neg is most 'thin'
Many things can be said about those Behemoths, but the reason they are here is because their builders saw bubbles coming out and
assumed research was finished and salestimes had arrived.
A HHO reactor can never achieve OU on it's own,  it needs power to start up and then you need a device which converts the gas to energy, so it can only
be part of a OUsystem.

Chemistry(class), , hahaha, are we going somewhere dark after the candy? The point is: monoatomic 2H and O recombine much MUCH more easily then 2H2 and O2
Am i producing monoatomic gases? I believe so, after some experiments we did. But is there hard proof? no not yet! HHO can be a blend of different bindings monoatomic, diatomic ortho , para and so on


About the Bonettimachine: Did you make the machine AND video or the video? =like

[TinselKoala]

The point about the "chemistry" is that you should be able to tell, by seeing what volume of product you get from splitting a known mass of water. If you split 36 grams of water and only get 67.2 liters of product, you know you are generating diatomic gases, ordinary H2 and O2. If you get twice that much then you have strong evidence for H, H, and O monoatomic gases in your big bag. Making the gas volume measurement might be tricky but you could probably get close enough by carefully measuring the bag. Say it holds 100 L when fully inflated. Then you can work backwards to see how many grams of water it should take in each case. Weigh the electrolysis cell, power it up and fill the 100 L bag, then weigh the cell again.

Yes, I built the Bonetti machine and made the videos. Thanks for the thumbs up! On a good dry day this machine will make 270 mm sparks between the spheres. The discs are 300 mm in diameter. Here's the video from which the stills were taken. The big grey box is just a DC power supply for the motors, it has nothing to do with the HV generation other than turning the discs. At about 1:30 the machine sparks across the discs instead of at the spheres.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWasxYQZZw

[HARLIN]

Sry,
Misunderstanding from my side, sorry for that, yes you are right, but the measuring of the splitted H2O was more an estimate, by measuring the levels, because this was not done under labratoryconditions,
this is still on the agenda, i hope to get the guys at HAN Nijmegen in holland interested in setting up some experiments, i lack the right equipment.
Weighing the reactor is not an option, to heavy and no equipment for precise weighing at that scale.
And still i don't know how high the average agitationlevel of the atoms is; i mean with the high freq pulsing going on .
There are to much factors to make a calculation, it goes beyond my abilities.
Water beholds still many mysteries, but so do the gases.

Your Bonetti is awesome = like
I see you are not quite free from dangerous situations too,  , but that comes with the territory right?

Still want to know what you think of the flash of the implosion?

[TinselKoala]

I just think it's a flash from the implosion! By all means do try it in a Faraday Cage to see if there is a difference. I don't think there will be.

So you can't weigh your cell, fine. You can put a mark to show the liquid level inside, can't you? Then you can run the cell for a while, disconnect it and let it settle, then make another mark where the level has gone down. Then you can measure the _volume_ of water to add to bring the level back up to the first mark. To first approximation water volume in mL = water mass in g.  You can fully inflate a bag with air, seal it, measure its dimensions carefully and calculate the volume at STP from those measurements. A few experimental runs and you will have statistical data that will hopefully cancel out errors and give you reasonable mean values for (mass of water) => (volume of gas).