How to make multiple Kicks

[Farmhand]

Reiyuki, Do you mind explaining exactly what you say you are showing proof of concept of ? What I see is that the coil is connected to the scope, the scope ground is connected to
the ground, the function generator ground is connected to the ground also, the positive of the function generator is connected capacitively to the coil, so basically the coil is being driven by the function generator positive lead by a small capacitor and the ground common to both the function generator and the scope allow the return.

Seems to be an effect completely explained by conventional knowledge and logic. Anybody can do that.

Cheers

[Bruce_TPU]

Seriously MileHigh, it would have taken less time to do the experiment than than it took to write the previous wall-o-text.  Prioritize.



Anyway, for all concerned attached is the simplest Proof-of-Concept setup I could muster.  The alligator clip is just resting on top of the coil and not connected to anything.  I bet you would even get results manually switching with a multimeter and battery (Positive terminal only).

LOL  A good one Rei!  And so true!  Talking heads, Otto called them "PC Heroes"...lol

I have my scope to where it can be "battery powered" for serious testing when using a resistor.  But you are correct.  It is there no matter what.  Just electrons with an associated magnetic field.

Ha!  Maybe the talking heads think that the magnetic field of a nuclear explosion is caused by "displacement current"?  Hahaha.

Nope, no dielectric needed.  Just electrons freed from the wire.  Just a proof of concept.  You have got a LONG way to go from here to a TPU.  But at least you all are in the right direction.

Cheers,

Bruce

[Reiyuki]

Reiyuki, Do you mind explaining exactly what you say you are showing proof of concept of ? What I see is that the coil is connected to the scope, the scope ground is connected to
the ground, the function generator ground is connected to the ground also, the positive of the function generator is connected capacitively to the coil, so basically the coil is being driven by the function generator positive lead by a small capacitor and the ground common to both the function generator and the scope allow the return.

Seems to be an effect completely explained by conventional knowledge and logic. Anybody can do that.

Cheers

- Yes, capacitive coupling is definitely affecting the circuit.  How much power leaks through I still haven't determined.
- Grounding was my first thought too: that capacitive coupling was creating a circuit between function gen and scope ground.  The neat thing was that you get similar signals when you isolate the gen or scope.  The 12v battery method featured in B's video also worked (no return path to battery and still getting kicks, wtf right?).
- LED in parallel with receiver coil dimly lights without a ground connection.

[totoalas]

Hi Bruce,  Rei
In my set up without the Neutral and one out put wire Negative from a wall adaptor   Sony ac to dc wall      the circuit switched off ... Im using an ignition coil cap coil in series /and water tap to light 40 w of led lamps 100 % brightness @ 0 amps
Also If I want to amplify the secondary,  do I need to increase the coil size and turns??? a series Bifilar  
thanks

[MileHigh]

So Reiyuki showed that a square wave can couple some energy into a coil and you will get a ring-down.  Myself, Farmhand, Reiyuki all made similar comments about what is taking place.  I suppose the most important point is that it's all normal and supposed to happen.  So there is nothing unusual or of any interest there if you assume that you are pursuing some form of free energy along the lines of Steven Mark.

Personally I view Steven Mark in the same league as Tariel Kapandze.  They both have produced mysterious inconclusive video clips.  Steven Mark could have been powering a light bulb with an alkaline AA battery hooked up to a Joule Thief circuit, there was more than enough room for that from what you see in his second or third-generation videotape videos.  You think I generate a lot of text?  TK and SM are responsible for endless reams and reams of text on this forum and elsewhere.

For Bruce, what do you mean by "electrons freed from the wire."  As far as the "PC Heroes" comment goes, you sure have an attitude for someone that's a beginner in electronics.  Like many people that play in this realm, there is a very good chance that you don't understand a lot of things, and you are making leaps of logic and forming relationships in your mind about your circuit that in all likelihood aren't correct.  The better approach is to be conservative and understand your limitations.

To me right now it looks like the wire is simply affecting Bruce's mysterious black box magnetic field detector that he demonstrates in his clips.  Effectively it's a noise glitch (when the wire jumps up or down in potential very suddenly) that propagates though the detector.  You can see how the voltage output from the black box current detector can be in two separate and distinct forms.  In the first form of the output, the black box sensor will show a magnet pass (like Bruce demonstrates in his clips).  In the second form of the output, noise glitches from the nearby wire (when it takes a sudden jump in potential) propagate through the circuitry and create a spike (glitch) on the scope display.  The glitch has nothing to do with the current in the wire.

Noise glitches can propagate through all types of circuitry.  Where Bruce is making a mistake is that he sees the noise glitch on the output from the black box and thinks that it represents a current pulse in the wire.  In fact it's not a current pulse, it's just noise that is disturbing the circuitry inside the black box and creating the pulse output.  This happens all the time in real life.  You can't always assume that the output from some kind of sensor or detector is 100% correct.  Every sensor only has a certain amount of immunity to external electronic noise.  It takes knowledge and experience to make a distinction between the two.

So it looks like this whole thing is just a tempest in a teapot and it's not the first time, nor will it be the last time that this happens on the forum.  In fact it happens all the time.  It's part of the learning curve with respect to the very complex subject of electronics.

MileHigh