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But it is ! I pointed at that Ether as I understood it is a "structure" composed of actual interactions of all waves forming space-time. If you take a small area of ether and find and measure longitudinal wave propagating as a distortion of that Ether  - it is light (or EM wave). The enterprise for future scientist is to uncover why the light running "in circle" forming two opposing whirls become magnetic field. Many many questions not answered still but I'm quite sure ALL that is really already explained but classified.

[verpies]

Note that, this is very different from a claim, that space/time is a container filled with another entity called "Aether" and that Aether is a separate entity from space/time.  This issue of separateness is paramount here!

As far as light being an undulation propagating through this Aether like a wave in a pond - I vehemently disagree with that proposition.

But it is !

If your "Aether" is a separate entity from space/time, then light is not a wave in it.  If you think so, then you're falling for an old mental crutch.

[Farmhand]

http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html
The speed of electric current

Since nothing visibly moves when the charge-sea flows, we cannot measure the speed of its flow by eye. Instead we do it by making some assumptions and doing a calculation. Let's say we have an electric current in normal lamp cord connected to bright light bulb. The electric current works out to be a flow of approximatly 3 inches per hour. Very slow!
Here's how I worked out that value. I know:

Bulb power: about 100 watts, about 100V at 1A
Value for electric current: I = 1 ampere
Wire diameter: D = 2/10 cm, radius R=.1cm
Mobile electrons per cc (for copper, if 1 per atom): Q = 8.5*10^+22
Charge per electron: e = 1.6*10^-19
The equation:


cm/sec =   ________I_______  = .0023 cm/sec  =  8.4 cm/hour
           Q * e * R^2 * pi

Charge or spin current or ?
http://inamori-frontier.kyushu-u.ac.jp/electronics/common/img/spin_current_en.jpg

Hi Wings, I think what you are calculating there is the physical movement of the electrons themselves. If the charge moved that slowly then with AC electricity reversing polarity 50 to 60 times a second the load at the end of a 30 foot long electric cable would get no charge due to the charge not being able to get to the end of the wire.

The electrons in my view are simply put "like a human chain" they pass charge along the line. If with AC, the charge movement is unequal then the net movement of electrons a small amount in one direction should occur. If with the AC no load is drawn and so no charges are used then there should be theoretically no net movement of electrons.

In a wire with DC If a load is drawn then there should be a net movement of electrons as a result of the passing of charge.

We were taught a long time ago even in boilermaker basic electrical theory that electrons only "jiggle" in a wire and move only a small amount over a long period. THis tells me that the "charge" that powers the load is not electrons as such but the charge that they pass along the wire.

People can get all technical and confuse everyone but the engineers if they want but what does that achieve ?

In simple terms if electrons do not move along the wire as fast as the wave of energy or the energy than the electrons themselves are only carriers of charge.

If an electron is accelerated outside a wire then imparts energy when decelerated then it is just a kinetic energy thing isn't it. A mass in motion. Energy is added to accelerate it and energy is dissipated to decelerate it.

I think it is more constructive to look at the movement of charge on a wire. And define the basic principal through which the load is powered by energy from the supply in a very short amount of time while the electrons hardly move at all, in other words the electrons themselves are not electric current in a wire. Rather the movement of the charge which powers the load is the electric current in a wire. In my opinion. The electrons are responding to an applied force by transferring charge along the wire from one electron to another. The electron movement is only a small part of the electric current in a wire. In my opinion. All results from the application of a potential to create an emf. There are different types of potential, a potential disaster is one type. Potential energy can be in many forms. It can be an elevated tank of water, it can be charge on the plates of a capacitor, the potential energy in the chemicals of a battery ect. ect. A potential can create an emf which can cause charges to flow and transfer energy along a wire using electrons to "pass the bucket" so to speak. All just my opinion.

Now where did I put all those numbers, were they necessary to understanding the basic principal ? Probably not.

Cheers

[verpies]

@Farmhand

I like the way you think, since you are making a distinction between movement of charge and movement of electrons (or ions).
However in your musings have one commonality. Namely the assumption that charged free electrons are needed to transmit charge through a solid wire...like buckets in a human bucket brigade are needed to transport water.

I'd like you to consider another possibility:
Namely, that charge is an independent entity that can exist without charge carriers such as electrons, positrons, protons, muons, ions, etc... and as such charge is capable of moving through electrically conductive solid matter, just like displacement current is capable of moving through a vacuum capacitor without involving any electrons or other charge carriers.

Can your mind be open to such proposition?

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Does anyone ever follow the links that I embed in my posts?
It seems "not" or they are not read carefully with an understanding, because many of these issues are explained there.

[Farmhand]

Hi Verpies, It'll take me some time to try to decipher most of your links. I think I'll need a break from posting to allow me to focus in "thought trains".

I'd like you to consider another possibility:
Namely, that charge is an independent entity that can exist without charge carriers such as electrons, positrons, protons, muons, ions, etc... and as such charge is capable of moving through electrically conductive solid matter, just like displacement current is capable of moving through a vacuum capacitor without involving any electrons or other charge carriers.

Yes I can certainly be open to such a proposition as you suggest. Which is why I keep mentioning displacement current. It simply would mean that the electrons are just "shoved", "pulled", "repelled", " attracted" or otherwise moved as a result of the charge flow or something as simple as that. I am open to anything that makes sense and is logical. Especially if it can help me in practical ways.

I do have some deep thinking to do.

Thanks