Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[rice]

Hi People.

I have been a long time lurker on this site and others.  I have extensive background in electrical/mechanical engineering and hold 9 patents in this field,  so i am not some over excited child.  I spend much of my time in my fully equipped shop building, tinkering, looking for the next big thing.  I fully understand the laws and workings when it comes to this type of thing.  It does not work!  can not work!  That being said...

For some reason there are many recent videos and news articles popping up from all over this planet talking about looped motor generator combinations functioning with power to spare.  Many of these are from legitimate inventors or companies.  many with no battery.  This is not like the usual YouTube video of a magnet motor or some other junk followed by hype, replications and failure.  There are too many separate occurrence,  this feels different.  Is it possible that maybe a certain alignment of phase angles or some other anomaly could unlock something so simple that we have just never looked at it?  All of the sciences have been wrong from time to time.  This one has too many legit people and is too spread out to be like the other 99.999% of impossible claims...

Anyone around here spend any time looking at this?  [size=-3]

[Dave45]

http://www.overunity.com/14013/reactive-generator-research-for-everyone-to-share/topicseen/#.UqKDaeJalD8

[lumen]

Hi rice,
I have a very similar background and I must say that I see no difference in 99.99% of these claims to all the other junk claims that come along.
With an electrical background you would already know that claims like phase anomaly and phase angle and resonance are just bunk claims made from those without understanding.

With that being said, I have seen some motor-generator combinations that provide excess power and appear they may be real.
Of the ones that actually appear to operate, there is always a roberval balanced flywheel that directs angular momentum to increase the drive torque to the generator. This is something that is just now showing up in some other threads also.

A roberval configuration has the ability to remove the back torque from the generator from reaching the drive motor so the motor can be much smaller than what would normally be required to drive the generator.

I have been looking at several other ways that roberval configurations can be used and have concluded that many different OU devices may be possible using this setup.

[Dave45]

Campbell claimed overunity years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgk0HfXhU9M

[lumen]

Not just a flywheel, but a roberval system.
Let me explain a simple system as in this pic.

Suppose we drive only wheel "A", with the chain sprockets "B" and "C" able to rotate on their own bearings attached to wheel "A"

There are three possible conditions for sprocket "B"

1: Sprocket "B" is held stationary and prevented from rotating.
In this state, the weighted arms will remain in the same orientation as wheel "A" turns but the drive on wheel "A" sees no additional load. The force on the connecting chain from "B" to "C" will be changing as the centrifugal forces change direction on the weights, but wheel "A" feels only the rotating mass of the weights.

2: Sprocket "B" is attached to wheel "A" and rotates with it.
In this configuration, wheel "A" is simply a flywheel and responds the same as condition one. Wheel "A" spins freely.

3: Sprocket "B" is attached to a generator.

With sprocket "B" driving a generator, you can see that if the generator turns freely, it will be the same as condition two, and if the generator was loaded until it stopped, it would be the same as condition one. Neither condition one or two can place additional load on wheel "A".

Now, one can also see that increasing the mass of the weights or rotating wheel "A" faster, will increase the drive force on sprocket "B" but additional load on sprocket "B", cannot prevent wheel "A" from rotating the same as a simple flywheel.

The drive force on sprocket "B" is derived only from the centrifugal force of the weights, independently of the torque applied to wheel "A".