Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[TinselKoala]

What are the odds?

I was at an Arby's in Greensburg, Indiana, yesterday, stopping for lunch while on my way to some business meetings near there.  They have a large spiral coin funnel thingy collecting money for charity.  I took a moment to read the label on the funnel and it was manufactured by Divnick International in Miamisburg, Ohio.  That was a shocker for me because that is the city where I work!  I looked up divnick.com and it links directly to the spiralwishingwells.com website.  Same company.  And only about 3 miles from where I am sitting right now.

M.

Well... good for you. Why don't you take Grimer's 2000 pounds, then. I don't want to have anything to do with him, at this point, and I'm very glad I haven't given him any more information. (If you need a sub-consultant, I'll help you construct a system for measuring the speed accurately, for 20 percent of the take.)

I do have a mathematical proof that shows the speed of the ball or coin anywhere in the funnel cannot be faster than [sqrt(2gh) + Vinit], which is its speed attained in a vertical fall through height h, starting with speed Vinit. But of course nobody is interested in mathematical proofs, as they ultimately rely on Conservation of Momentum as a hidden assumption. An assumption that has _never_ been seen to be violated, of course.

Was the Arby's any good? I haven't had one in ages.

[Grimer]

... Why don't you take Grimer's 2000 pounds, then. I don't want to have anything to do with him, at this point,...

[Grimer]

What are the odds?

I was at an Arby's in Greensburg, Indiana, yesterday, stopping for lunch while on my way to some business meetings near there.  They have a large spiral coin funnel thingy collecting money for charity.  I took a moment to read the label on the funnel and it was manufactured by Divnick International in Miamisburg, Ohio.  That was a shocker for me because that is the city where I work!  I looked up divnick.com and it links directly to the spiralwishingwells.com website.  Same company.  And only about 3 miles from where I am sitting right now.

M.

All you need to do is to show the speed on exit is more than it should be and you'll be famous. 
The rest is simply engineering.


I'd do it myself but I'm not an experimentalist.

[mondrasek]

@TK,

Ha!  I doubt anything I would do would be adequate!  Plus, proximity to the company that markets the coin vortex doesn't mean I have any advantage as far as doing an experiment with one.

Since I don't have video equipment to measure velocities, nor skills to whip up a photo-interrupter timer in short order, I would have probably have gone a different way.  Not that I believe such an experiment would provide extraordinary results.  But I do like to see how you experienced experimenters build, instrument, and test.

I liked your idea about a purely mechanical test where some sort of ramp would re-direct the coin as it exits the bottom of the funnel and causes it to attempt to rise back up to the starting height.  But I had no idea how you could pull that off simply!  I was looking forward to seeing what you might have come up with.

I was wondering what you would have thought of this idea:  Cut off the end of the funnel.  Suspend it a known distance above a level surface.  Measure the distance the coin travels horizontally when it exits the bottom of the funnel until it hits the surface.  Now create a simple, non-spiral vortex ramp that would cause the coin to drop the same vertical distance as from the funnel entrance to its exit, with the bottom being horizontal and at the same height above the surface.  Roll the coin down this second ramp and measure the horizontal distance it travels.  Compare the two distances.  If the vortex added some KE from EG then the coin on the simple ramp would travel less far, right?

One concern was that the coin leaving the funnel would not be traveling exactly horizontal.  Still, I was wondering how accurate this type of simple mechanical comparison setup would be.  Any thoughts?

No Arby's?  Wow.  I've haven't spent much time in Texas and never noticed their absence.  Not that I go looking for them.  Just not a lot of options in Greensburg, Indiana, and I end up there about once a week.  So it is in the "rotation" for lunch destinations.  It was, per usual, adequate.

[mscoffman]

@ MIDTECH =>  things are beginning to heat up;

http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:02:09#MidTech_releases_Black_Box_Dominator_price_list

Note: that there is a lot of visual information given about what this black box contains is in the youtube videos.

My recommendation to future customers is to do what the guy says to do;

People who want to use the box as a back up power unit now can go ahead and order it, but
anyone else interested in anything about overunity should wait for further research and development
as well as further discussions here.

For those who want utility power backup:

This is a nice electric utility power backup unit with 420AH x 12V deep cycle battery of storage = ~5KWH this
would run an iron like load straight out for about 4 hours plus any additional electrical energy that
can be collected from the solar panel and wind generator during that time, plus have whatever overunity
energy that might or might not be there from the motor/generator.  This unit is not utility interactive
but could be made that way with the addition of a small Siemens standalone line interactive inverters
(not part of unit).

These would be turned on sometime before the "power dump" board in the back center of the unit. This
board seems to use water heater elements in open air to burn up to heat excess battery energy. Battery
overcharge might result which can lose battery water by electrolysis, were the board not present. The
solar array, wind generator, or plug in cord would be necessary to use if unit's battery is entirely discharged.

Criticism of this design: The binding posts on back of unit need to be recessed inside of cabinet surface or
risk breaking them off. It may be possible to use the type of same plastic boxes used inside for the outlets.
For a large storage bank a larger connector would be required to help prevent DC current losses.

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Overunity Discussion:

This Midtech Black Box Dominator appears to be a pure Qmogen.
The internal 210ah deep cycle acid/lead batteries are in series at 12VDC.

Does anyone know which is the motor and which is the alternator?
I expect that both the motor and the alternator are 12VDC?

:S:MarkSCoffman