Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[Farmhand]

http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:02:09#MidTech_posts_first_Black_Box_Dominator_video

To me it looks like this is nothing more than a "electric motor powered generator", the battery is storage for the wind and solar inputs and to drive the generator when the power goes out. The load dump would be for the wind turbine and the wind turbine only, wind turbines generally cannot be unloaded or they spin too fast, some models have magnetic braking and or blade "feathering" but are more expensive. Without those things a load dump is required when the batteries are fully charged and the unit is not in use, the battery charge controller prevents the battery from overcharging. It has a V belt from motor to generator. hehehe 

These systems will never be OU unless you consider the solar and wind power as OU. If there is such a thing as OU it would be no different in reality to wind or solar being that energy would be collected for free from somewhere.

If the grid power goes out and the sun blocked by clouds and there is no wind then the system will deplete the batteries charge as normal and when they become depleted enough the unit will cease to output power.

This is a back up AC power system with wind and solar "or grid" input.

An electric motor connected to a generator will not produce more energy than it consumes. None have so far and I doubt any ever will.

The solar and wind inputs keep the batteries charged and ready for when the power goes out, and if there is wind and sun those inputs will contribute to the output along with the batteries which will provide power in excess of the solar and wind 750 Watt max output when it is required but that will deplete the batteries.

All in all it could be a useful system, but the motor generator part will not run itself, not in my opinion, nor is it intended to. If I was Midtech I would request the PESwiki article be removed for fear they will cause people to expect the setup to eventually produce power with no input, hence causing people to not buy a usable system now and wait for the OU version which will never become available. I mean if they cannot work out how to power the motor from the battery something is fishy. PESwiki the hype kings are running out of funds, they need your money for more hype up write ups. I fail to see what purpose PESwiki serves. Except to instill false hopes.

Cheers

P.S. Petrol and diesel powered generators are polluting noisy things but in a power outage that lasts for days, they are difficult to beat, you just keep putting fuel in them and they can run day and night for as long as in needed (not including breakdowns). We have a 6 kVA generator and it will run the entire house for days on a surprisingly small amount of fuel. It's very handy. For short outages I usually just don't use stuff and make light with my solar charged battery bank. For long outages we turn off the generator at night and keep all but one of the fridges and freezers closed. Also when they are not in use there is no wear and tear on them.

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[deanc5000]

"Does anyone know which is the motor and which is the alternator?
I expect that both the motor and the alternator are 12VDC?

:S:MarkSCoffman"

Mark, Midtech has said the motor used is Marathon Electric Motor, 1/4HP, 1625rpm, thermally protected, AC, Model number: 5KCP35KNB057AS

No info on the generator, but looking at the size, and wire gauge and flange type, my guess would be a 2 or 3hp treadmill duty 130VDC motor (used as generator). These are fairly popular among the diy wind crowd. Again this is a guess only right now.

[lumen]

I found a way to connect a small black box to a wheel through a single bearing point on the wheel and the box will generate power by rotating the wheel. It's not magnetic and has no other connections.

The question is , what mechanism exists that will counter the rotation of the wheel when the only connection the box has is the single bearing point on the wheel?

It's not making sense, either over unity devices exist, or there is some type of unknown vector drive.

[mscoffman]

"Does anyone know which is the motor and which is the alternator?
I expect that both the motor and the alternator are 12VDC?
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Mark, Midtech has said the motor used is Marathon Electric Motor, 1/4HP, 1625rpm, thermally protected, AC, Model number: 5KCP35KNB057AS

No info on the generator, but looking at the size, and wire gauge and flange type, my guess would be a 2 or 3hp treadmill duty 130VDC motor (used as generator). These are fairly popular among the diy wind crowd. Again this is a guess only right now.

Wow, Thank you for information, unexpected really.

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There seems to be a triac lamp/speed controller beneath the motor mounting board. Which would make sense if it controls
the motor drive.

I'd love to try dropping a Keppemotor in there as a prime mover to see if they are BS or not.
but I have no idea whether .25HP Keppemotor even exists.

I found a way to connect a small black box to a wheel through a single bearing point on the wheel and the box will generate power by rotating the wheel. It's not magnetic and has no other connections.

The question is , what mechanism exists that will counter the rotation of the wheel when the only connection the box has is the single bearing point on the wheel?

It's not making sense, either over unity devices exist, or there is some type of unknown vector drive.

Two:  (a) air resistance and static electricity like a Wimshurst machine. The youtube video of the helicopter generating
               fiery halo while operating in a dust storm. Variation based in relative humidity or brush injection of electrons
               with auto ignition coil and CRT TV high voltage rectifier.

         (b) some sort of homopolar magnetic generator utilizing the earth's magnetic field. Might look for a systematic
               variation of voltage during wheel precession. Could also be due to a single split loop of the utility wiring
               in the room where device is being tested, due to a "two switches for one light" type circuit.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[lumen]

@Mark,

Sorry mark, I should have provided more info on the device.

From the Gyro experiment in my video, it is clear that pitting centrifugal force against the stability of a gyro will produce over ten times the energy it takes to operate the gyro.

The gyro and a weighted lever are combined into a single box that is attached to a wheel by a single bearing pivot point on the wheel. The gyro provides a stationary platform while the weighted lever operates against the gyro to run a generator.

The question then becomes:

By attaching a single black box on a wheel, connected only by a single pivot point, is there any known force that could act against the wheel?

I ask this because the data proves this to be possible. The gain of energy in the black box would require that the energy comes from some source and it would likely be the wheel, but I see no mechanism to resist the rotation of the wheel.