Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[tim123]

Hi Vince,
  thanks for the full reply. It's much appreciated. You did give it a fair go...

I'm not sure what to make of Luc's reactive work. He initially presented it as a working circuit that delivered OU, but seems to have backtracked... It looks like he was making some measurement errors. Other than that - who knows...

I did see the video you referred to... It was interesting, and you're right about the fact that there can be no reaction on the source. I was taught that there's an electrical analog for all machines. So what would the analog of this be i wonder?

It's something I'd like to try one day. Centrifugal pumps are extremely efficient, and so is a pelton wheel...

I have a theory about OU - that spiralling fluids can convert energy from otherwise inaccessible sources. An example would be a tornado / whirlwind converting heat into velocity. Which I understand they do.

Another example would be eddy currents creating anomalous extra heating, or even causing nuclear fusion, by entraining other particles as they spiral inwards.

I can't apply it to this thread though...

[lumen]

Centrifugal pumps are efficient, except you are always accelerating new mass and that requires work.

I am thinking that the answer lies in centrifugal force as a means of transferring work with increased torque as shown in the first page of this thread.


The proof would be if a gyro could operate and accelerate if all input energy was provided at 90 degrees to it's rotational mass.
With the gyro wheel stationary, the input would prevent it from operating in that it would simply rotate the entire unit, but once started, the stability provided would prevent turning while the input increases the gyro's RPM, which would increase stability, to allow increased RPM, to increase stability.

My description is a bit lacking, but if it works this way, then would it not prove over unity exists in centrifugal force?
The fact would show that the stability force provided is stronger than the input torque force required to operate it.

[infringer]

Hi Vince,
  thanks for the full reply. It's much appreciated. You did give it a fair go...

I'm not sure what to make of Luc's reactive work. He initially presented it as a working circuit that delivered OU, but seems to have backtracked... It looks like he was making some measurement errors. Other than that - who knows...

I did see the video you referred to... It was interesting, and you're right about the fact that there can be no reaction on the source. I was taught that there's an electrical analog for all machines. So what would the analog of this be i wonder?

It's something I'd like to try one day. Centrifugal pumps are extremely efficient, and so is a pelton wheel...

I have a theory about OU - that spiralling fluids can convert energy from otherwise inaccessible sources. An example would be a tornado / whirlwind converting heat into velocity. Which I understand they do.

Another example would be eddy currents creating anomalous extra heating, or even causing nuclear fusion, by entraining other particles as they spiral inwards.

I can't apply it to this thread though...

Why not make your flywheel a linear device that is enclosed with fluid that is allowed to spiral so to speak?

[tim123]

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2013:12:21#1930.2F1960_QMoGen_and_1882_patents_--_It.27s_variants_have_been_around_a_long_time

Interesting, but an amplidyne requires input power - it doesn't create energy, it's an amplifier - used for control of power delivery...

Emmett Butler says " it had a 1 watt input and had a 10,000 watt + output " - but he's just looking at the control input, and ignoring the power input from the drive motor...

When people confuse stuff like this, what credibility can they have? Sigh.

[lumen]

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2013:12:21#1930.2F1960_QMoGen_and_1882_patents_--_It.27s_variants_have_been_around_a_long_time

Interesting, but an amplidyne requires input power - it doesn't create energy, it's an amplifier - used for control of power delivery...

Emmett Butler says " it had a 1 watt input and had a 10,000 watt + output " - but he's just looking at the control input, and ignoring the power input from the drive motor...

When people confuse stuff like this, what credibility can they have? Sigh.

This is how a modern automobile alternator operates. The stator windings provide the output and a small control voltage on the rotor controls the rotating magnetic field.

It is very efficient at controlling the high current output of the alternator but it also changes the load on the prime mover.