Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[tinman]

This one here is about as close as i have seen to a self runner. Im still trying to understand as to why the motor runs longer when the generator is hooked up to it,if the generator is another loss in the system.If a generator consumes more power than it delivers,then the motor run down time should be less when the generator is hooked up to it(or looped).Lets say the generator is 85% efficient-this would mean another 15% loss when looped. So why dose the motor run longer when this loss is added,and shorter when the generator is left open?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl57y-c_bWc

[TinselKoala]

You would indeed have a gravitational FE machine - which is exactly my point.


You don't address the argument about the string pulling in the weight.


After all it's easy to demonstrate that pulling in the weight adds energy.  One only has to let a string pendulum swinging in a vertical plane impinge against a horizontal bar at the same time as the string is being pulled to see that the bob rises above its starting point.


I've actually carried out the pendulum experiment so I know it works. 

You know how you think it works, but if you think you are getting energy from gravity you are wrong. When you are pulling on the string you are adding energy to the system in the usual manner: by Mister Hand, and this energy ultimately comes from the Sun, through your breakfast.
Please review your Beer & Johnston.
https://archive.org/details/VectorMechanicsForEngineersDynamics

[TinselKoala]

This one here is about as close as i have seen to a self runner. Im still trying to understand as to why the motor runs longer when the generator is hooked up to it,if the generator is another loss in the system.If a generator consumes more power than it delivers,then the motor run down time should be less when the generator is hooked up to it(or looped).Lets say the generator is 85% efficient-this would mean another 15% loss when looped. So why dose the motor run longer when this loss is added,and shorter when the generator is left open?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl57y-c_bWc

That's a great demonstration! It's easy to see, from this demo, how people can fool themselves into thinking they are going to be able to make it self-run "if only" some little improvement somewhere could be made.

I don't know the answer to the question right off the bat, but I suspect it lies in the assumptions being made. Your video will no doubt make a lot of people start tinkering... like me, for instance. I'd like to know more about that generator you are using, and I wonder if I can get the same effect from my two little Delco motors.

Ah... there goes another Sunday, I guess. I just spent all day Saturday working on an electrostatic generator idea, only to find that it "works" but only makes a couple of volts max, so I'm ready for something else.

EDIT: Is there a big capacitor inside that generator housing?

[tinman]

I'd like to know more about that generator you are using, and I wonder if I can get the same effect from my two little Delco motors.


EDIT: Is there a big capacitor inside that generator housing?

Who's-mine in Luc's thread,or the one in the video i posted?

[Grimer]

You know how you think it works, but if you think you are getting energy from gravity you are wrong. When you are pulling on the string you are adding energy to the system in the usual manner: by Mister Hand, and this energy ultimately comes from the Sun, through your breakfast.
Please review your Beer & Johnston.
https://archive.org/details/VectorMechanicsForEngineersDynamics

I know all that. But in the case of the vortex there is no string. Th coin is being forced in by the walls of the funnel.


You just can't get it can you.


But then you couldn't see the solution to the water and wine problem so it's not really surprising.