Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[GT899]

Hi Tinman,

Thanks, that is an interesting video. Is that DC to DC motor/gen?

I've tried various ways to get a motor/gen to loop and failed. You need 3x COP, as MsCoffman states, in order for you to generate enough power to run itself and run a real load.

Trying to decouple the prime mover from the load has been my main goal, also trying to find efficient generators. I recently acquired two small generators from China.

site: http://small-generator.com

The shipping is expensive to US. The company was really good answering questions I had and the quality of the generators was excellent.

The first is YAF 54 this one is not too bad it's small but needs high rpm to generate.

http://small-generator.com/buy/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=8

The second is YAF 80 this one is a little bigger but really nice output at low rpm. Just hand twisting it can make a 30watt incandescent bulb filament glow a dim red. Very low cogging too seems much less than the low wind Windblue I have. I'm pretty impressed with this one. Just need more time and warmer temps to see how it really performs.

http://small-generator.com/buy/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=10

I'm also putting up these two ideas here a different way of looping, these are untested but may be give someone inspiration for a new idea.

The wind lens is really interesting but I don't hear much about it. Here are two videos showing it off with a 2.5-3x gain on output over regular wind turbines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQexzNg_e9A

The next video is in Japanese but watch the numbers. Without lens 13watts output, with lens 37watts for same air flow/gen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGWCAvBD8eo

The idea I had was to take a efficient high velocity computer fan and focus it through the lens to another bladed fan as generator. The focus and lens can be made out of flowerpots or any other plastic kitchen container. This would partially decouple the output from the input. This design could be placed on a wide wire shelf so no real complicated support is needed for testing purposes.

Next video showing one fan running another, now if the output could be improved with a wind lens 2.5x or more could it aid in looping?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhDq-FmM38

I also noticed the small-generator site had small hydro-generators that hook to a garden hose.

http://small-generator.com/buy/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=26

The other idea was to take a small solar garden fountain pump(6vdc@1amp or 12vdc@0.5amp 4ft fountain) and make a ring of generators. This one I'm not sure how much loss will be in the piping. It would be interesting to see how the high pressure from the expulsion side be aided by the pull of the low pressure of the suction side through the loop. It may be possible to combine the lens idea to make a water lens section of pipe and a spinning diametric magnet with blades attached. A water lens section can be 3D printed.

Too many ideas so little time.

Hi these are brilliant ideas. Do you think this might work for the air amplifier instead of flower pots?
http://gyroscope.com/d.asp?product=AIRAMPLIFIER

Also for the water loop generator what if we used mercury instead and propelled it in another way?

Thanks for sharing!

[tinman]

people don't feed the trolls ,
as proven in many themes TinselKoala is here just to troll you

And you couldnt be more incorrect if you tried newbie.

[TinselKoala]

Frank, the "experiment" is being done every day, all around you, in many many forms.

Look: I have a theory that, when the sun rises on February 29th, it will appear green until noon, then will turn blue for the rest of the afternoon. This phenomenon can only be observed  while you are standing on your head inside the Tower of London. You say it won't? PROVE IT.

I'll pay you thirty dollars to go stand on your head in the Tower at dawn on Feb. 29th, and observe. I'll gladly accept your report as to the viability of my theory of Sun-Color-Dates. Sorry it can't be more, this is all I can afford for this world-shaking experiment.

Does this seem ridiculous to you? Too much trouble, even though you KNOW the answer already and it would be easy money for you? Would you feel entirely right about doing my experiment and taking my money?

Sheesh.

Take a coin funnel and erect a simple ramp from the exit hole you've drilled, leading back up to the top. Obviously this simple ramp can be much _shorter_ than the total path the coin makes on the way down and around the funnel. According to you, the coin exits the hole horizontally with excess velocity. It would be a simple matter, then, to have the coin just climb back up the much shorter ramp back up to the starting position,where it will arrive with a bit of extra velocity remaining. After the second loop, even more, etc etc. Imagine the delight of small children in museums all over the world when their coin refuses to stop, and eventually flies off the TOP of the funnel due to all the extra momentum it has accumulated.

Yet, with hundreds of thousands of coin funnels in existence and at least two major manufacturers selling them world-wide, nobody has thought of this simple way to demonstrate the OU magic. Right.

Maybe you should offer yourself as a consultant to these companies, Frank. I'll bet that they could perform your experiment in one day, for nothing.

After they stop laughing at you , that is.

[TinselKoala]

OK, Frank, just to show you that I have "good faith".... We have no funds to operate on at all, so in lieu of you simply paying us the full amount in advance, we will need you to buy some supplies for the experiment, up front. These supplies will be returned to you... in the event of a positive result that supports your hypothesis. (You know... the hypothesis that you have still not yet explicitly stated.)

So, if you will buy one of those small "toy" coin funnels that are in the link above, and send it or cause it to be delivered to us here in South Texas, we will set it up to perform the experiment you suggest. We have the apparatus necessary to measure the velocity of the coin in both conditions: simply dropped from the start height to the exit height as the "control" condition, and the velocity of the coin exiting a hole in the side of the funnel on a horizontal (tangential) path as the experimental condition.

If you agree, let me know and I'll PM you the address details. The toy funnel costs about 25 dollars US, I think.

You know also that when my son who specializes in finding out who people are said it would be no problem to find out who you were, you asked me not to and I agreed.

That sounds vaguely like a threat.

[sarkeizen]

Ok, this is the question for a proof of overunity generator concept for all the real thinkers and math wizards.

Can't all gear systems be partially modeled by levers?