USA move to penalize Renewable Energy Freeriders

[markdansie]

This is important if you value energy independence


http://revolution-green.com/usa-move-penalize-freerenewable-energy-freeriders/


Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

[Doug1]

You didnt see that coming? I actually expected worse. The constitution has a commerce clause that could actually be used to stop self reliance of any kind if it disrupts intra state or interstate commerce. There is a case they use to define it where a large pig farmer decided to grow his own crops to feed his pigs. By doing so he did not purchase his feed from local markets which in such volumes was not possible anyway and would have caused a shortage. Which is a disruption. Since how ever he grow his own feed he toke potential money out of the market and that to was considered a disruption. So your damned if you do and damned if you dont if someone can make the case your activities have caused a hartship either way.
  The case could be easily presented that free energy or the activity to pursue it is a disruption to commerce. It has always made my skin crawl that fluffy do good'rs come to a war waving flowers and singing camp fire songs thinking that will stop them from being killed imprisoned or worse. No one ever does their home work it seems to find out the exact nature of what they are about to get into. If you had a clue you would be the enemy just because you have a clue.

[Red_Sunset]

You didnt see that coming? I actually expected worse. The constitution has a commerce clause ........................................................................................
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Hi Doug,
Some strong words but you are right. Although I find "war" a bit over the top.
I see it as normal commercial movements where existing interest are trying to do protectionism.  Their general public interest is secondary to self interest.  Honest politics should be able to keep that in check but that also has eroded itself with favorite, well monied lobbying to care only for itself and associated sponsors.
In principle, that every electricity producer pays for network usage to distribute his electricity would be considered normal. Costs would be proportional to quantity (volume) distributed.  With a lot of small producers coming into the picture, the best way to do this is by having the distribution (wire network) ownership separate from the electricity producers.  This would be a reasonable model. 

In a lot of countries, in addition to the electricity consumption costs, the consumer also pay an "availability cost", which is the equivalent wording to "distribution costs.  The availability cost is demanded if you consume electricity or not.

In addition, let say in the future, all cars will run on "free energy", 
Where, from whom and how do you think the state will recover/replace the gasoline taxes lost ?  It has to come from somewhere, from whom,  the "free energy" user, I would venture to guess.
There is no "free lunch" with "free energy", not even in the "land of the free".

Regards,  Red_Sunset

[forest]

Rigth, better is to burn free oxygen from air and create copious amount of dioxides and dust and carcinogens and other shit which we breathe     The limit of resources is the only limit we respect

[Red_Sunset]

Rigth, better is to burn free oxygen from air and create copious amount of dioxides and dust and carcinogens and other shit which we breathe     The limit of resources is the only limit we respect

No it is not better,  we require a different living model for it to change, easier said than done.
We humans, being emotional creatures, we live to our "wants and desires" and we are prepared to goto any limit to acquire them, the easier we can do that the better, usually without taking into account the bigger picture
Why??   Because we can !!!
Without imposing checks and balances, to ourselves and onward up in our society structure, in failing, we will consume and destroy all in the process untill we can not any longer !! Then it will stop / slow down.
The check and balances can come from within ourselves of from outside. It will come.

From outside, running out of oil / energy might be just what we need to save the world and ourselves (it will stop a lot of "because I can").

From within, a corrective reverse process will have to start from the bottom up, it will never come from the top down.  Although I just can not see how that can ever be possible, except under duress.   The last 2000 years + should be a good indicator of the path we are on.

Regards, Red_Sunset