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Overunity Machines Forum



M Drive reactionless drive invented by me

Started by M Drive Inventor, December 08, 2013, 01:45:09 PM

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conradelektro

M-Drive please do not be offended, a reactionless drive is not possible, see this Wikipedia explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionless_drive

"A reactionless drive (also known by many other names, including as an inertial propulsion engine, a reactionless thruster, a reactionless engine, a bootstrap drive or an inertia drive) is a fictional or theorized method of propulsion wherein thrust is generated without any need for an outside force or net momentum exchange to produce linear motion. The name comes from Newton's Third Law of Motion, which is usually expressed as, "[f]or every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". Such a drive would necessarily violate the law of conservation of momentum, a fundamental principle of all current understandings of physics. In addition, it can be shown that the law of conservation of energy would be violated by a reactionless drive."

There is a long history of people who made the same conceptual error. Your machine is very well built, but without friction (even if it is very little friction) it could not work. Please study what is said in the Wikipedia explanation.

Of course you could try nevertheless, but be aware that you would have to overcome very well established physical laws (conservation of momentum, conservation of energy). One can always doubt these well established "physical laws", but you will have to show a very convincing argument and scientists will not listen to you.

I do not want to debunk you, because you built such a nice setup, but your machine has been tried many times and it always failed. You can of course say, that you do not care and that you will move on with your work anyway. But please realise that you would revolutionise physics, which is very very difficult and physics has advanced so far, that "conservation of momentum" has been proven over and over again, you could say, it is basics of physics.

Greetings, Conrad

M Drive Inventor

Quote from: conradelektro on December 09, 2013, 03:14:19 AM
One can always doubt these well established "physical laws", but you will have to show a very convincing argument and scientists will not listen to you.

Evidence will speak for it self. And if a scientist doesn't want to look at the experimental evidence because it contradicts his (or her) beliefs, then he is no real scientist.

About Newton's third law of motion though. To the best of my knowledge, it seems to have been established simply because nothing else has ever been observed. If that is the case, I have only this to say: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Not to mention it's kind of stupid to claim we know everything. I think we did that back in the days of Newton, and we all know how well that went.

LibreEnergia

Quote from: M Drive Inventor on December 09, 2013, 03:28:49 AM
Evidence will speak for it self. And if a scientist doesn't want to look at the experimental evidence because it contradicts his (or her) beliefs, then he is no real scientist.

About Newton's third law of motion though. To the best of my knowledge, it seems to have been established simply because nothing else has ever been observed. If that is the case, I have only this to say: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Not to mention it's kind of stupid to claim we know everything. I think we did that back in the days of Newton, and we all know how well that went.

However, to suggest that what is shown in the video is in any way a "scientific experiment" that could legitimately provide evidence of a reactionless drive is absurd. You have not shown ANY evidence at all that the movement is not simply due to friction. Why should we believe that the track does in fact provide a frictionless surface?

M Drive Inventor

Quote from: LibreEnergia on December 09, 2013, 06:41:55 AM
You have not shown ANY evidence at all that the movement is not simply due to friction. Why should we believe that the track does in fact provide a frictionless surface?
Well that's certainly an opinion. If you have any arguments I'd be willing to try and counter them.

I never claimed the track was frictionless. However as stated before, the bearings (wheels) on the M Drive aren't angled or anything like that, so there's not more friction arising when it moves one way or another.

LibreEnergia

Quote from: M Drive Inventor on December 09, 2013, 08:25:00 AM
Well that's certainly an opinion. If you have any arguments I'd be willing to try and counter them.

I never claimed the track was frictionless. However as stated before, the bearings (wheels) on the M Drive aren't angled or anything like that, so there's not more friction arising when it moves one way or another.

Obviously you are unaware that there is a difference between the static and dynamic coefficient of friction then. This will easily give rise to the ability to move in one direction using the timing of the thrusts.