222% Energy Conversion.

[DaS Energy]

Many claim the Francis turbine to be 82% efficient in energy conversion. Many others claim the Steam turbine to be 60% efficient.

Whenever steam/gas and water be in a container together, the water is the same pressure as the steam/gas and the steam/gas is the same pressure as the water.

Steam/gas will move water at the same pressure that the steam/gas is.

Steam/gas from behind pushing water through a Francis turbine converts 82% of the water flow into mechanical energy. Steam/gas from in front pushing water through a Francis turbine converts 82% of the water flow into mechanical energy. Steam/gas passing through a steam/gas turbine converts 60% of the steam/gas flow into mechanical energy.

Whatever steam pressure and volume you begin with you still have 100% of at the steam turbine.

Two conversions of 82% and one of 60% gives a total conversion of 222%. All of which comes from the original steam/gas  generated in the boiler or elsewhere.

[DaS Energy]

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[mscoffman]

DaS Energy;

Your systematic, diagram based device proposals might well be considered to be *implementable
via 3D printing*. By using analogous systems that shift the temperature points of the working fluids
downward, one might be able to actually implement these systems for very low costs. One could then
incrementally improve the operation of subsystems by increasing device complexity only as needed.
The thermal conductivity of plastic materials could be increased via metal inserts. You would then be able
to validate the theoretical math as you proceed. I generally like the idea of being able to go from theoretics
to physical test systems in a seemless , inexpensive and incremental fashion.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[TinselKoala]

Wrong. Taking the numbers as given:

The first "82 percent efficient conversion" yields (input power x 0.82) = output power.

The second "82 percent" yields output power = (0.82 x 0.82) x input power.

The third "60 percent" yields output power = (0.82 x 0.82 x 0.60) x input power.

For a total output power of a little over 40 percent of the input power.

You cannot add or multiply or chain together individual processes that are each "under unity" or less than 100 percent efficiency, and wind up with something that is OU!

[DaS Energy]

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