Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread

[gotoluc]

Hi guys,
Does the comments of Doug Konzen add to this subject?
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Doug_Konzen_%28Konehead%29_on_Self-Looped_Generators

So feed the power to a capacitor, switch it off and have the capacitor load a battery that feeds the motor again that drives the generator?
Hns

Interesting circuit to try. It could be a way to use reactive power to an advantage?

Thanks for bringing it to our attention

Luc

[gotoluc]

Luc,

Thanks for the summary given in your other locked thread.
http://www.overunity.com/14013/reactive-generator-research-for-everyone-to-share/msg383646/#msg383646

I plan on making my "Basic Power Measurements" video(s) either today or tomorrow. In addition to the basics, the reasons for inverting the current measurement scope channel will be illustrated.

Been and still am looking forward in watching your video tutorial.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[Farmhand]

I hear you Mark, So I'll outline what I did.

I took an extension lead from the wall outlet and plugged into that a "in line" safety switch, then the energy meter then I plugged the power strip into that, I ran a transformer from the power strip at PF 0.60, drawing 40 Watts and noted the current and voltage as well as the Watts of course the current x voltage was more than the watts, the meter show real power in Watts. The exact figures I cannot remember, but I can redo it on video if someone asks. Then when I plugged in a 60 Watt incandescent globe and turned it on the PF went to 0.98 and the volts x amps almost matched the Watts, so the globe used converted the reactive power or offset it, whatever it made the volts x amps match the Watts from the wall. So almost all power drawn from the wall behind the meter was real power, only a very small amount went back through the extension cable as reactive power to the wall.

Now, if I had plugged in the correct sized capacitor I would be correcting the power factor also, but that would be returning the converted reactive power and sending back to the transformer as apparent power again. The capacitor has losses as well.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just at present we do not pay for reactive power, I do agree it is a good idea to correct PF where possible as much as possible.

Cheers

[MarkE]

I hear you Mark, So I'll outline what I did.

I took an extension lead from the wall outlet and plugged into that a "in line" safety switch, then the energy meter then I plugged the power strip into that, I ran a transformer from the power strip at PF 0.60, drawing 40 Watts and noted the current and voltage as well as the Watts of course the current x voltage was more than the watts, the meter show real power in Watts. The exact figures I cannot remember, but I can redo it on video if someone asks. Then when I plugged in a 60 Watt incandescent globe and turned it on the PF went to 0.98 and the volts x amps almost matched the Watts, so the globe used converted the reactive power or offset it, whatever it made the volts x amps match the Watts from the wall. So almost all power drawn from the wall behind the meter was real power, only a very small amount went back through the extension cable as reactive power to the wall.

Now, if I had plugged in the correct sized capacitor I would be correcting the power factor also, but that would be returning the converted reactive power and sending back to the transformer as apparent power again. The capacitor has losses as well.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just at present we do not pay for reactive power, I do agree it is a good idea to correct PF where possible as much as possible.

Cheers

Farmhand most residences do not pay for reactive power ... yet.  But remember that what makes power reactive is that the energy is drawn in one part of a cycle stored and released back to the utility in another part of the cycle.  All energy that is taken and not returned is real energy.  When one does not return all energy stored in one part of a cycle back to the utility in the next part of a cycle, the utility sees that as real energy drawn and bills for it, whether the premise has old rotating disc power meters or smart meters.  If the utilities get their way, they will charge residences a penalty for power factors less than 1.0 the way that they charge many businesses for that now.

[Farmhand]

Yes I realize all that, I wasn't claiming anything for free. I was demonstrating that reactive power is not used for free. As soon as we use it it becomes real power and we pay for it.
The meter ended up reading the 100 Watts made up of the real 40 Watts of the transformer and the 60 Watts of the globe.  at PF 0.98 for the power strip in total. Pretty much all power accounted for and paid for by the sun. hehehehe

But there can be load balancing to negate reactive devices within a given system, such as I described. The system could be the power strip only, or it could be the entire house. The difference being the length of wiring within the system. So likely never see PF 1.00 always.

I agree with you 100%, if they charge us for "volts x amps product" we will soon correct our PF if we are smart.

Cheers