1lb lift-force anti-gravity from ordinary charged capacitor!

[leviterande]

Hi Tim, hmm I am not sure if we are on the same road here

the  lifter is simply something completely different from what the 2004 paper is about.  The lifter is working on  ion wind(at least 99% of the thrust is ion wind) and thus  the  triangle lifter has to be super light and  with the very  low thrust.   no antigravity here.
However,   we are talking about genuine effects here  in the Doyle´s 2004 paper,   i.e.  typical parallel plate capacitors lose weight.  You said you used "glass plate caps" if you have some left, all you need is to put them on a scale and start testing !

I made  1ft 5000pf 30kv glass capacitors, charged with  flybacks and got no results but I start to believe that my equipment was poor,  I just found recently  out that my  "faraday caged digital scale" couldn't even tell 2grams from 15grams sometimes....

Good luck

[tim123]

I was under the impression that lifters also worked in a vacuum, and the effect wasn't just ion wind.

Either way - higher voltage is needed - and copper and iron weigh a lot. Teflon & Nylon (& aluminium foil) don't...

, Tim

[tim123]

Here's a report from 2007, I just found... These mystery 'drones' look and sound a lot like asymmetric capacitors...
http://truthfall.com/weird-dragonfly-aerial-drones-the-chad-photos/

What's the power source, I wonder?

PS, it's a fascinating design... Could be faked of course, but I think some parts actually make technical sense... Like the top 'wires' of the device coming down into the center ring - where the HV source is...  Hmmm.

[tim123]

This patent for a "Rolling triboelectric generator" describes one way I think it might work:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4990813


Tim

PS: Attatched is a drawing showing how it might work in the drone - only replace the 'steel rollers' with perhaps aluminium brushes for lightness...

[tim123]

Well, I spent the afternoon wrapping presents, and then, as I had the tape out anyway, a capacitor...

The first 3 pics show the construction of the cap.
- Tinfoil & tape onto teflon baking sheets
- Correx dielectric & outer case, with Duck tape.

The last pic shows it balanced on a cardboard tube, on a digital scale (1/10 g sensitive), connected to my Wimshurst machine with fine wires.

At full pelt, I get a weight change of 0.0 grams.

I'm not sure it it's arcing over inside - I can't tell while turning the Wimshurst.

I might try it with the HV supply - it makes a lot more current, but it may not do a high enough voltage... It needs a new oscillator on it - so I have to fix that first...