Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[MarkE]

Thank You MarkE

So you are saying that these wall forces are valid to use, Thank You again

Those are thicknesses not forces.

Power and energy are NOT the same MarkE,, did you have a brain fart on that one?

There is no brain fart.  You seem unable to comprehend, that the faster you want the system to operate, IE the greater power you want it to be able to transfer, the greater the force difference required to accelerate the payload.  You are either being obtuse out of sheer ignorance or because you intentionally wish to misrepresent.

But Archimedes uses the displaced VOLUME for calculating the FORCE,, is that another brain fart Mark?

Yes he did.  You should learn his famous principle and how to apply it sometime.

It is a shame that the FORCE audit broke, I only used the force present within YOUR spreadsheet,, you know,, the one you did not use,, so if using a FORCE that is present breaks something,, then who goofed up?? me for using a FORCE that is present or YOU for not using that force to start with.

Again:  No one has found any errors in the R4 spreadsheet.  You created a derived spreadsheet where you introduced errors.

[MarkE]

If you want to see the error in your spreadsheet see the atttached screenshot with all your cells back in play,, do you see any RED numbers at the state 3 condition that are in the TOTAL column,, do you see any audit errors,, well something must be wrong.

Tom, it is your spreadsheet that is wrong.  You double counted the up lift on the riser walls.  You don't know what you are doing or you intentionally misrepresent.  In either case, your spreadsheet and protests are worthless garbage.

[MarkE]

MarkE,,

You stated, and got all over not just me but others,, remember, POWER is NOT ENERGY,, get a grip.

No it isn't.  I have never substituted one for the other.  You are either too dense to notice, or just trying to make up yet another straw man.  [/quote]

You should also learn about Archimedes,, he stated that it is the equivalent volume of displaced fluid that represents the force,, you went off on this one a few times as well,, now you seem to have forgotten it.[/quote]I haven't forgotten a thing about Archimedes.  You on the other hand are unable to calculate forces correctly.

I simply went and found the equivalent volume of displaced fluid in YOUR spreadsheet,, YOU must balance to that value.

No Tom, you do not understand.  Go ahead and answer the two questions posed in this graphic.  Then we will discuss your misconceptions.

[MarkE]

This reminds me of a post by Mondrasek,, and now you have it in front of you with your own work.

Which one is solved for first??? this is the question isn't it.

http://www.overunity.com/14299/mathematical-analysis-of-an-ideal-zed/msg390695/#msg390695

Mondrasek has admitted that his analysis was mistaken and that the analysis behind the R4 spreadsheet is correct.  Try to keep up Tom.

[MarkE]

That is YOUR spreadsheet,, I am only showing the values and the displaced volume of water,, everything else is yours there Mark,,

Your lift, your calculated force,, all your stuff,, with the add-ons showing what is what.

Your add ons are wrong Tom.  You are double counting values.