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Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

Started by mondrasek, February 13, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

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TinselKoala

Is this what you want, hypocrite Wayne Travis?

I regret that I called you a liar, EVEN IF IT IS TRUE.
I apologize that I called you a hypocrite, EVEN IF IT IS TRUE.
I am sorry that you don't keep your promises..... EVEN IF IT IS TRUE.


Do you get the picture, hypocritical "honest" Wayne Travis?  I'm sorry you called me a total TURD KISSER...... and some day you will be _genuinely_ sorry that you did.

mondrasek

Quote from: TinselKoala on March 09, 2014, 04:57:50 PM
Do you get the picture, hypocritical "honest" Wayne Travis?  I'm sorry you called me a total TURD KISSER...... and some day you will be _genuinely_ sorry that you did.

Actually he did not call you a turd kisser.  He expressed his opinion of you being one.  I have accused my closest friends of being an ass or worse from time to time.

I'd still like to get back to the Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED.  Whenever anyone has constructive input on that topic.  Currently I am asking if the method I used to calculate buoyancy Forces for the SUT is correct or not.  Constructive input from anyone is welcome.  MarkE must be busy or has abandoned his offer to double check.  So, while we give him time to address the question, does anyone else have a constructive insight?

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 09, 2014, 08:40:07 AM
I do believe I have actually gone over that, and more than once.

In the world I live in when something is discussed, mentioned or what have you, then it is a case of an understood,  I find it interesting that some people posting on this forum do not.

MarkE, you have posted your math on the single riser setup and your math as posted is absolutely WRONG.  I am not a math hotshot and I can see your error,,,,,
Mistakes are always possible.  You are free to show whatever mistake you contend that I have made.

MarkE

Quote from: mondrasek on March 09, 2014, 10:15:19 AM
Unfortunately this State 3 being checked is not going to work for us.  When summing the buoyant Forces on the pod and risers due to the water Head on each you arrive at a negative value.  So the ZED could never rise to the height that is displayed.  It would stop short of that lift where the sum of the buoyant Forces is zero.

The buoyant Force on the pod and riser is calculated:

Fb = (Water Head) * (Surface Area)

For the outer riser this would be calculated as Fb = (AR7 - AR6) * (pi * r2)

If the units of measure are kept always as cm, the result is simply cm3 (also known as cc).  With the Density of water at 1 gram/cm3 the result is also the buoyant Force in grams.

So for the outer riser this would be calculated as Fb = (2.2966 - 4.0351) * (pi * 2.22) = -26.4344 grams of Force.  This riser is negatively Buoyant and pushing down against the middle riser.

Calculate the others similarly and you get:

Buoyant Force from Outer Riser  = -26.4344 g
Buoyant Force from Middle Riser =    0.9191 g
Buoyant Force from Inner Riser   =  14.8938 g
Buoyant Force from the pod        =    7.1132 g
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Total Buoyant Force                    =  -3.5083 g

The ZED could not rise to this condition.

MarkE, do you want to argue this point, make a correction, or should I choose a different State 3 to work with?
The only thing that I am willing to discuss is the analysis you claimed to have in the OP but you refuse to produce.  Produce your analysis or don't.  If you don't, then you will continue to make it obvious that you have been blowing smoke the entire time.

MarkE

Quote from: mrwayne on March 09, 2014, 02:07:01 PM
I know, I knew it was copied.

I am very sorry.

You have treated me fairly and with honest judgement from day one.

It was in very poor taste to treat you that way. Very Poor.

Wayne
If you are sorry for bad acts, then come clean with your investors and accept the consequences.