Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[powercat]

PC, Mark Dansie posted much more recently, and in this thread.  Why don't you quote from there?  It should be his most recent thoughts on the ZED topic.

Feel free to quote what you like, I am making the point going back two years  that Wayne cannot produce what he claims, the reason being- his device does not work, which is why he did not have it verified two years ago, what has changed since then has Wayne had his device verified,NO apparently he still believes it works, what a load of BS.

[MarkE]

Well John,, I end up needing about a 75% efficient lift.  I do not have the full understanding of the system either, just my hands on experience with what I got back out of the system while moving the reservoir back down after the lift weight was removed.

Back to MarkE's spring.

The spring analogy.

Sure, but lets set the spring up correctly.

The spring is mounted on a lever, that lever is operated to lift the spring up into contact with the weight, the lever is moved further to compress the spring to take the weight of the weight and then the lever is operated further lifting the weight.

This is closer to the ZED, and as is evident the spring that is compressed can be used to move the lever backwards and *assist* another lever to compress its own spring after the lift distance has been met.

The difference here is that the cost to lift the weight after the spring is compressed is fully paid for by the lever, not so in the ZED.

Arrange any combination of springs that you like and what you will find is that the efficiency increases as the percentage of stored energy transferred decreases.  The closer you make the ZED to a brick, the better it performs, until it becomes the virtual brick.

[mondrasek]

Feel free to quote what you like, I am making the point going back two years  that Wayne cannot produce what he claims, the reason being- his device does not work, which is why he did not have it verified two years ago, what has changed since then has Wayne had his device verified,NO apparently he still believes it works, what a load of BS.

That is fine.  But I think you do Mark Dansie a disservice by misrepresenting him when you quote from two years ago.  His opinions may have changed since that time.  And since he went to the effort of posting his current opinions, those are the ones that should be presented.

[MarkE]

Thanks Webby,

The spring was meant to be just another puppet rabbit trail like:

The Pink
Unicorn
Bollard
Hereon or what ever..
Brick
Rock
Gravity switch

and feel free to add the the misdirection list..

But as fate would have it - the analogy can be corrected - SMile

And Your spring correction is not too far from reality - Make one change - the ZED Spring has a impressive attribute missed...

It gets taller as it is compressed..................... how that for counter intuitive......

That's what I shared with Mark on his second visit - we push down to go up smile - makes the input a double use.

Now - give a an inventor worth his salt that can not use it to circumvent gravity ,,,,,,,,

Wayne


to elude the obvious - but if you want to cover

The "ideal ZED" once 'charged' in State 2, emulates a compression spring with a rate of 0.48N/mm.  The relaxed position is at full extension.  It can compress up to 2.492mm.  Ordinary compression springs do not require the elaborate and lossy set-up that the "ideal ZED" requires.  Of course the compression spring is easily made more than 1000 times smaller, is almost completely insensitive to orientation and doesn't evaporate or leak.

Did you hear about the inventor who discovered a remarkable gravity circumvention device?  Using his device it is possible to lift objects of 2 tons (or sometimes even more) using a force of only 1 ton, and once lifted by 2 feet no additional force is required.

[TinselKoala]

I have always thought that the "authentic" descriptions of the operation of a dual zed system included removing "something" from the "up" zed at the top of its travel, or perhaps during the sinking. This, I thought, was the "production". The sinking doesn't go all the way so has to be "Flow Assisted" by part of whatever the production might be, and the rest of the production is left over for use outside the zed system.

So there has been talk of removing weights when the Zed is at the top, then somehow getting it to sink again, of fluid transfers of water or hydraulic fluid or incompressibolonium gas or whatever, etc etc. First there is a weight, then there is no weight, then there is.  So I'd like to know in what form, exactly, this "production" is, and when, exactly, it is removed from the producing zed, and what happens to it after it has done its external work. Obviously, the Zeds that are being analyzed by LarryC, Mondrasek and Mark E cannot be the true and holy Zeds because nothing is taken from them to be used elsewhere.