Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[TinselKoala]

@Webby
Please note that neither "production rams" nor "flow assists" labels appear anywhere on your diagram. Am I supposed to guess what parts are which? Please note that there is a battery shown on your diagram.... something that as I am sure you have noticed, is an absolute requirement for all "free energy" machines we have seen here lately. Please note that a hydraulic accumulator is typically precharged to a high pressure, that the device is a big heavy supposedly well-balanced see-saw, and that it could be running for quite a while on that stored precharge. Further, please note that we have been told, at various times, that there is no fluid transfer between the Zeds, or that there is, or whatever. So how do you account for the plumbing at the bottom? What are the bags doing, we don got no bags, we don have to show you no stinkin bags, in the spreadsheets....
Finally, for this post, please note that the Zed being analyzed on this thread is not the Holy and Eternal Zed that has a tummy-ache in the video of the diagrammed device.

If the production ram were to move 200cc of fluid per cycle and the flow assist rams were to use 100cc of fluid per cycle then the Reserve tank will need to provide the other 100cc per cycle resulting in the Reserve tanks held volume of fluid being moved into the high pressure accumulator resulting in the accumulators stored volume of fluid under pressure increasing and the Reserve tanks volume under low pressure decreasing.

Finally we are getting somewhere. OK... so after a while.... what happens? Where does the fluid all wind up, what happens to the pressure buildup?

[TinselKoala]

There is the plumbing needed to facilitate setup and draining.  This step requires both fluid and air pressure to be correctly installed into the ZED and both ZED's will also need to be drained of both fluid and air pressure to allow for a full accountability of all facets of the system.

The production rams are the gray vertical things on the top middle of the ZED.  The flow assist rams are just above and to the right of the battery.

And so I guessed correctly. So the "flow assist" rams don't really directly assist anything flowing, but they push and pull on something, helping the system to rock back and forth? 

The battery is needed to run the electric flow control valves and monitoring system in this drawing.

Yes... it is, because a pneumatic system, that might be operated on part of the "production", actually requires another power source like the little electric powered air compressor that can be seen in the photographs of the other, indoor unit.

The precharged accumulator,, that is the question of the day,, and the one, IMHO, Mark D. needed an extended time of run to confirm whether that charge went down during run or not.  If this system that looks so clunky were a very good teeter-totter it would take, or could take, a long run time to see any appreciable drop in that accumulator pressure.

I'm glad you realize this, now we are really on a roll.

If the accumulator is preset for its hold pressure then the volume of fluid not used by the assist rams, and or anything else that is connected, that is needed for the descent of the production ram will result in a decease in the Reserve tank volume and an increase in the stored accumulator volume,  When this happens the ZED's could be stopped until the Reserve tank is again filled back up and the accumulator is back down to its start volume by some other connected item.

That is right. Or you could just put your hydraulic motor turning a generator in a line leading out from the accumulator, back to the reserve tank, and get your electrical power to run the valves from that, no battery needed, and you'd never have to shut down. Right? Or is that too obvious?

Now here is another question:  as the accumulator is filled, does it require more and more work to pump fluid into it?

[mondrasek]

Guys, sorry if I interject in the middle of your conversation, but I'd like to participate a bit if that is okay?

Further, please note that we have been told, at various times, that there is no fluid transfer between the Zeds, or that there is, or whatever. So how do you account for the plumbing at the bottom?

The "Manual gate" valve would be shut during operation.  I think that portion of the plumbing may be used to balance the two ZEDs when first assembling to the desired setup condition.

Off topic a bit right now:  In the video you hear Mr. Wayne comment about one side of the dual ZED system working better than the other.  TK, you have commented on the different times it takes for each side to "stroke" as well.  My theory:  This is a BUOYANCY device.  And the buoyant Force is the result of water HEAD applied to the OD of the pod and/or risers.  Slight variations in the construction of the pods and risers can lead to HUGE differences in their buoyant Forces.  So to have a "matched balanced" pair is nearly impossible.  And that is the reason Mr. Wayne separates the two ZEDs with the "bag transfer device."  Also, the setup conditions (how much water is in each annulus) and the tolerances of the ring walls inside each ZED will have HUGE effects on the buoyant Forces of each.  So again, best to separate them by not requiring a water volume transfer between them.  And with two un-matched ZEDs coupled together as shown in the diagram and video, one side will perform better than the other.

What are the bags doing, we don got no bags, we don have to show you no stinkin bags, in the spreadsheets....

Mr. Wayne has said he no LONGER uses the bag system.  He obviously did at the time of this drawing and the video.  I have no idea what he has developed over the last 2 years or so.

[TinselKoala]

There is the plumbing needed to facilitate setup and draining.  This step requires both fluid and air pressure to be correctly installed into the ZED and both ZED's will also need to be drained of both fluid and air pressure to allow for a full accountability of all facets of the system.

So the bags.... water flows into and out of the bags as the Zed moving parts, inside the white housing, move up and down. But this water isn't exchanged between the zeds because of the manual gate valve. Right? And it is supposed to be the water in these bags, changing weight, that rocks the teetertotter with the tall weights on it, back and forth?

Is the 'flow assist' ram driven by the rocking, so to be pumping hydraulic fluid, or is it driven by the hydraulic fluid, and so driving the rocking, or helping to drive it, mechanically?

[mondrasek]

I hope I don't cross post with webby1!  Sorry if I do.  I'm about to climb under my car and change the oil so I'll be out of your way for a bit.

So the bags.... water flows into and out of the bags as the Zed moving parts, inside the white housing, move up and down. But this water isn't exchanged between the zeds because of the manual gate valve. Right? And it is supposed to be the water in these bags, changing weight, that rocks the teetertotter with the tall weights on it, back and forth?

Yep.

Is the 'flow assist' ram driven by the rocking, so to be pumping hydraulic fluid, or is it driven by the hydraulic fluid, and so driving the rocking, or helping to drive it, mechanically?

'Flow Assist' has been the term that Mr. Wayne has used to describe when the ram is activated to force additional water under pressure into either ZED.

To start, think of ZED1 at full stroke height and ZED 2 with its pod and risers sitting like in State 1.  First there is a "Free Flow" activity where the two ZEDs are both opened to the "bag transfer system."  So the pressure between the two ZEDs will equalize (for free thanks to gravity) while no Volume of water is transferred between them.  Once equalized, the pressure differential in the "bag transfer system" is zero, even though the pressure on each side is still as much as the HEAD in the two equalized ZEDs.

Now the "Flow Assist" must be enabled to take ZED 2 up to stroke Pressure.  So the "Flow Assist" ram is energized.  It starts out seeing a zero pressure difference in the "bag transfer device."  That ram must stroke to build the pressure in ZED 2 up to its stroke pressure.  Meanwhile, ZED 1 gently collapses, continuing to help balance the total gage pressure that ZED 2 must achieve.

I hope this helps.  Time to get under a 2 ton vehicle.  Supported by a standard hydraulic jack!

PS.  And webby1 posted first.  Oh well, I was proof reading when I heard that and am still posting in case it helps.