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Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

Started by mondrasek, February 13, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

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TinselKoala

Quote from: mondrasek on March 08, 2014, 05:15:15 PM
Anytime we can bring back "MarkE" we can move forward with the Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED, AFAICS.
Some people do need to sleep, eat, clean the spittle off the monitor, stuff like that. 

You asked me earlier what I thought. My response is, let's not worry too much about what we think, right now, let's just try to agree on what the observations are; let's worry about what we see. Once we have an agreement on the observations, then we are in a better position to analyze. This is of course a paraphrase of Weir's Law.  Observations include things like schematics of the SUT, timing diagrams or flow charts of the operation, measurements of quantities and rates, etc. Certain observations, or rather lack of them, may even call into question the very physical reality of the (alleged) system under test. IMHO you are forced, at the present moment, to analyze the composition and size of the pinhead that a troupe of angels have chosen as their dancefloor-- without yet having confirmed the existence of angels, much less whether they prefer disco or ballroom styles.

MarkE

Quote from: mondrasek on March 08, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
MarkE, would it be okay with you to show how I would evaluate your State 3 shown here?
I want you to show the "math, assumptions, logic, and conclusions" that you have long asked others to check.

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 08, 2014, 10:27:26 AM
It is not dimensioned but this has already been posted.

Please not the Reserve tank on the left, please note the one-way flow valves in the lines, please note that the high pressure fluid coming out of the production ram can only enter the accumulator, or High side of the system, please note that the low pressure return from the flow assist rams can enter either the Reserve tank, or low pressure side, or the production ram only when that production ram is at a low pressure, IE going down.

If the production ram were to move 200cc of fluid per cycle and the flow assist rams were to use 100cc of fluid per cycle then the Reserve tank will need to provide the other 100cc per cycle resulting in the Reserve tanks held volume of fluid being moved into the high pressure accumulator resulting in the accumulators stored volume of fluid under pressure increasing and the Reserve tanks volume under low pressure decreasing.

Edit to add,, the blue tank is the accumulator,, I believe :)
Where is the external work output?

MarkE

Quote from: mondrasek on March 08, 2014, 05:15:15 PM
Anytime we can bring back "MarkE" we can move forward with the Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED, AFAICS.
No, we are all waiting on you to show your:  math, assumptions, logic, and conclusions.

TinselKoala

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