Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[TinselKoala]

Does anyone remember the "Travis Effect"?  That was supposedly some magic energy gain that results from using inserts and nesting cylinders.  It was supposed to be THE DISCOVERY.  While lots of people around HER/Zydro, including the fraudster Wayne Travis himself like to refer to this so-called "Travis Effect" none will commit themselves to a statement of what the "Travis Effect" is actually supposed to do.  That is of course because there is no such thing as a "Travis Effect".  There is the HER/Zydro misdirection effect of demonstrating buoyancy when an insert is involved and making the false claims that Archimedes' Principle has somehow been circumvented.  Well, now we have, ( I would say we had years ago when Kan Shi first posted diagrams ), a definitive model that the most idealized arrangement of concentric risers does not do anything special.  They certainly do not produce any energy gains.

If Travis's Zeds are not total deliberate fakes, then they must "work" by the Cuckoo Clock principle. My speculation is this: Energy is stored in elevated weights and high pressures; this is arranged by setting up the "precharge" of water levels and air pressures in the Zeds and charging the hydraulic accumulator. The valvulation acts as the pawl of the escapement formed by the rocking mechanical system. The Flow Assist is supplied from outside, the rocking proceeds, and with each cycle the cuckoo clock "weights" descend a little bit: the pressures decrease, the water levels move towards equalization. The system is well balanced so it takes very little actual energy to make it rock, and thus it can do so for quite some time from an initial precharge. The bigger the Zeds and the accumulator, the longer it will "run".  That initial "flow assist" to get the rocking started represents another injection of energy into the system. Ooops, it's slowing down, must have another little leak, give it another Flow Assist jolt there Larry..... and it keeps on for another little while.
And as long as "improvements" are being made, and new designs come along that need to be built and tested to overcome the previously encountered leaks and squeaks... the Cuckoo Clock keeps on running.

[MarkE]

If Travis's Zeds are not total deliberate fakes, then they must "work" by the Cuckoo Clock principle. My speculation is this: Energy is stored in elevated weights and high pressures; this is arranged by setting up the "precharge" of water levels and air pressures in the Zeds and charging the hydraulic accumulator. The valvulation acts as the pawl of the escapement formed by the rocking mechanical system. The Flow Assist is supplied from outside, the rocking proceeds, and with each cycle the cuckoo clock "weights" descend a little bit: the pressures decrease, the water levels move towards equalization. The system is well balanced so it takes very little actual energy to make it rock, and thus it can do so for quite some time from an initial precharge. The bigger the Zeds and the accumulator, the longer it will "run".  That initial "flow assist" to get the rocking started represents another injection of energy into the system. Ooops, it's slowing down, must have another little leak, give it another Flow Assist jolt there Larry..... and it keeps on for another little while.
And as long as "improvements" are being made, and new designs come along that need to be built and tested to overcome the previously encountered leaks and squeaks... the Cuckoo Clock keeps on running.

Now, I am more interested in finding out whether certain events are in motion or not.  Time will tell.

[MarkE]

Webby where do any of those quotes get you?  There is no evidence for over unity with anything that has come out of HER/Zydro. 

If you do not understand floating point math then you can go read up on it.  A given format has both a range of numbers that it can represent, set by the number of bits in the exponent field, and a resolution (precision) that it can represent set by the number of bits in the mantissa.  You can read about Excel's limits here:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/excel-specifications-and-limits-HP005199291.aspx

Calculation specifications
Feature    Maximum limit
Number precision    15 digits
Largest number allowed to be typed into a cell    9.99999999999999E+307
Largest allowed positive number    1.79769313486231E+308
Smallest allowed negative number    -2.2251E-308
Smallest allowed positive number    2.229E-308
Largest allowed negative number    -1E-307

[MarkE]

They show that the "ideal ZED" was about the nested system, not a ZED.

Since when is a ZED not about the idiotic nesting?  In 100 words or less kindly state what is it about a ZED that supposedly distinguishes it from 2000 year old hydrostatics?  Wayne and company have spent years claiming that the Russian Dolls of Ignorance are connected to free energy when they have been proven to have ordinary, under unity behavior.  Teeter tottering pails of water aren't over unity either.

They show that what I have been saying is what I have said, no changes, no more "magic" hidden behind something.

There is no magic.  There is no over unity.  The ZED is a stupid, complicated contraption that has no material value.

They show that this error with the numbers is very very small.

If you contrive an absurd situation you can get Excel to generate silly results.  You set-up a situation where a nearly 200 foot tall column moves a distance so small that state of the art lithography can barely manage it:  24nm.  I have shown you in no uncertain terms that the odd numerical result is entirely a result of Excel running out of resolution.  I have shown you that the algebra shows that the result is mathematically forced to be less than 100% for any finite motion time.  Do you grasp that:  N/(N+M) < 1 for all positive M?

I do not take the numbers as proof of anything, and I stated that.  You have blown that up into something else all together.

You said that the BS numbers justify further investigation into the device.  That's nonsense as the algebra has shown.

You have blown most of the things I have tried to present into something else, and yet you like to teach all of us things,, that is a strange combination.

You do realize that your "tyranny of it all" is not in use, well does not need to be used, with a ZED?

The tyranny is nature's, not mine.

If you are saying with that, that if I put in the work to move a volume of fluid up into a vertical column that I can only get back 1\2 of that work, well then you have destroyed energy, or if you allow that the water falling back down will return that same work, minus frictional losses, then you have lost the tyranny.

Here is yet more disingenuous misrepresentations by you.  I have shown where the losses are.  The losses convert useful energy to waste heat.  In the particular case of taking a potential energy store that is full and a like store that is empty you will lose 50% of the energy equalizing the potential of the two.  Try it with capacitors, or springs, columns of water, tanks of compressed air, and you always get burned.

I understand that if I were to try and use that work *directly* with another column of water moving in the opposite direction that your tyranny is alive and well and in full force.  This is what makes the tyranny a special case that requires a set of conditions to be used, just like a Roberval, break those conditions and you break the Roberval's special ability.

You claimed that your columns were not subject to the loss problem.  You claimed to already have built hardware that does not suffer from the problem.  You have never provided any evidence that was ever true or that subsequently you worked out a solution.  There is no small amount of irony noting that now that the "ideal ZED" has been shown to be the worthless junk that it is over unity wise, that you insist that we go look at a "real ZED", a device that has been described as requiring the very kind of energy wasting equalization that you have not found any way to solve.

[MarkE]

I will address this one.

I posted a picture of just such a device, balancing levers, not the drawing.

I have other methods as well.

With these methods I have managed an almost 99% exchange.

I identified the problem and the reason that the tyranny is valid for a finite condition.

The transfer function of each column is: 

P₁ = P_{1_START} - K*V_{1_REMOVED}
P₂ = P_{2_START} + K*V_{2_ADDED}
E₁ = 0.5*(P_{1_START} - K*V_{1_REMOVED})*(V_{1_START}-V_{1_REMOVED})
E₂ = 0.5*(P_{2_START} + K*V_{2_ADDED})*(V_{2_START}+V_{2_ADDED})

All you have to do now, and you claim you have done it is come up with a process where:
V_{1_REMOVED} - V_{2_ADDED} = 0 to enforce the conserved fluid volume and simultaneously ensure that
0.5*(P_{1_START} - K*V_{1_REMOVED})*(V_{1_START}-V_{1_REMOVED}) +
0.5*(P_{2_START} + K*V_{2_ADDED})*(V_{2_START}+V_{2_ADDED}) remains constant.

Good luck.