Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[MarkE]

Just as we never drew the device that would introduce the water needed to charge the system from State 1(x) to State 2, I also did not originally draw a device that represented the Work that the ZED can do while lifting from State 2 to State 3.  The physical device is not important for either of that input or output in an Ideal Analysis.  However, the calculation of the Energy that crosses the boarder of the Ideal ZED while transitioning from any first State to a second State needs to be calculated correctly.

The Energy added to the system by the introduction of the Water during the transitions from State 1(x) to State 2 has been calculated.

The Energy leaving the system as Work when the riser "lifts" has not been calculated as the integral of F*ds.

You set up your problem.  The omissions were yours. 

It's hilarious to see the twisting and back pedaling of the Wayne Travis Fraud Promotion Squad.  You offered your claim of a device that you said you analyzed as over unity.  Your evaluation was based on stored internal energy.  Or don't you remember all your appeals to internal pressure and volume?  The flaws in your analysis have been: identified and corrected.  The resulting device is not over unity, even with all the unreal idealizations afforded it.  The internal energy decreases where you claimed it increases.  In order to harvest against the loss of internal energy, you  added a silly and flaky mechanism that unfolds a complement to the Nested Russian Dolls of Ignorance.  That mechanism greatly reduces the percentage loss so far as it exists inside the NRDI, but neither eliminates the loss nor results in anything other than a very silly Rube Goldberg contraption.  Why use a 3mm dia compression spring when you can create a teetering kluge with a 271mm diameter pizza pan of water?

And contrary to your blatant lie: the work that can be done by adding an idealized spillway mechanism such as you described has been fully described and included in the spreadsheet.  That work is calculated in the spreadsheet using the solved integral of F*ds for the water in the: unrealizable, idealized, massless, dripless, frictionless spill pan.

[mrwayne]

    Can anyone tell me one fact supporting the ZED that has come from Tom, Webby, Larry,
    Mike, Michel or Wayne himself?
                                          John.

Wow minnie, I feel your pain - I know it is hard to sort thru all the  diversions to find the actual facts.

One suggestion - click on any of those members names - and you can find plenty.

Wayne

[MarkE]

Wow minnie, I feel your pain - I know it is hard to sort thru all the  diversions to find the actual facts.

One suggestion - click on any of those members names - and you can find plenty.

Wayne

Well there is the fact that they all voice support for your fraudulent claims.  And there is the fact that none of them have ever offered any evidence that supports your fraudulent claims.  So, there are two facts right there.  It appears that Minnie was already aware of both of those facts.

Now that it has been established that your Nested Russian Dolls of Ignorance do no more than an ordinary compression spring, where is the supposed energy going to come from that you've told TinselKoala can be recycled to realize over unity?

[MileHigh]

Wow minnie, I feel your pain - I know it is hard to sort thru all the  diversions to find the actual facts.

One suggestion - click on any of those members names - and you can find plenty.

Wayne

Intermediate persuasion techniques

16. The Big Lie. According to Adolf Hitler, one of the 20th century's most dangerous propagandists, people are more suspicious of a small lie than a big one. The Big Lie is more than exaggeration or hype; it's telling a complete falsehood with such confidence and charisma that people believe it. Recognizing The Big Lie requires "thinking outside the box" of conventional wisdom and asking the questions other people don't ask.

17. Charisma. Sometimes, persuaders can be effective simply by appearing firm, bold, strong, and confident. This is particularly true in political and advocacy messages. People often follow charismatic leaders even when they disagree with their positions on issues that affect them.

19. Extrapolation. Persuaders sometimes draw huge conclusions on the basis of a few small facts. Extrapolation works by ignoring complexity. It's most persuasive when it predicts something we hope can or will be true.

20. Flattery. Persuaders love to flatter us. Politicians and advertisers sometimes speak directly to us: "You know a good deal when you see one." "You expect quality." "You work hard for a living." "You deserve it." Sometimes ads flatter us by showing people doing stupid things, so that we'll feel smarter or superior. Flattery works because we like to be praised and we tend to believe people we like. (We're sure that someone as brilliant as you will easily understand this technique!)

21. Glittering generalities. This is the use of so-called "virtue words" such as civilization, democracy, freedom, patriotism, motherhood, fatherhood, science, health, beauty, and love. Persuaders use these words in the hope that we will approve and accept their statements without examining the evidence. They hope that few people will ask whether it's appropriate to invoke these concepts, while even fewer will ask what these concepts really mean.

23. New. We love new things and new ideas, because we tend to believe they're better than old things and old ideas. That's because the dominant culture in the United States (and many other countries) places great faith in technology and progress. But sometimes, new products and new ideas lead to new and more difficult problems.

27. Simple solution. Life is complicated. People are complex. Problems often have many causes, and they're not easy to solve. These realities create anxiety for many of us. Persuaders offer relief by ignoring complexity and proposing a Simple solution. Politicians claim one policy change (lower taxes, a new law, a government program) will solve big social problems. Advertisers take this strategy even further, suggesting that a deodorant, a car, or a brand of beer will make you beautiful, popular and successful.

Advanced persuasion techniques

32. Card stacking. No one can tell the whole story; we all tell part of the story. Card stacking, however, deliberately provides a false context to give a misleading impression. It "stacks the deck," selecting only favorable evidence to lead the audience to the desired conclusion.

33. Cause vs. Correlation. While understanding true causes and true effects is important, persuaders can fool us by intentionally confusing correlation with cause. For example: Babies drink milk. Babies cry. Therefore, drinking milk makes babies cry.

35. Diversion. This technique diverts our attention from a problem or issue by raising a separate issue, usually one where the persuader has a better chance of convincing us. Diversion is often used to hide the part of the story not being told. It is also known as a "red herring."

37. Majority belief. This technique is similar to the Bandwagon technique. It works on the assumption that if most people believe something, it must be true. That's why polls and survey results are so often used to back up an argument, even though pollsters will admit that responses vary widely depending on how one asks the question.

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Joseph Goebbels:  On the "Big Lie"

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Quoting Wayne:

I know it is hard to sort thru all the  diversions to find the actual facts.

One suggestion - click on any of those members names - and you can find plenty.

You will not find plenty - that statement by Wayne is a LIE.  He has been lying from day one in an attempt to create a "Big Lie."

MileHigh

[MarkE]

The gentleman you see here will gladly assist you in your difficult task.  He will help you send your beloved investment funds to their final resting place.  Cry not for your beloved investment funds.  They have gone to a better place. 

"And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams" 
Capaldi, Winwood, 1971