Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[Marsing]

That's the problem with science. It only applies to 'known' and 'observable' phenomena.
So as long as wayne doesn't demonstrate his alleged gravity cheating plumbing scheme, it's checkmate, bro. 
/s

Imagine, if they both work together

[MarkE]

But I did find a bunch  of free work that could be done,, and I reported on that as well,, 90% lift and all that left inside is what I reported on,, actually it was better than that but TK decided to have an issue with my numbers,, so I backed down on what I measured, reasonable errors are reasonable,, so a 10% reduction in output to input to cover those errors.

I have never seen any data from you that suggests you obtained unity or better results.  If you think that you did, then like anyone else making an experimental claim you are free to: detail the experiment set-up, measurement methods, null experiments, measurements and any data manipulation performed to reach your conclusions.  Your descriptions need to sufficiently detailed to allow any reasonably competent experimenter to reproduce the observations you claim to have made.

Now, yet again you are stating things as if they were fact, which they are not they are your opiniion.

I have no idea what "things" you mean.  Evidence is evidence.  As far as I am aware you have not offered any for your extraordinary beliefs.

You keep calling me names,, by your definition that is the last and weakest form of attack,, that is your definition there Mark.

I keep observing that you resort to logical fallacies, and that you profess support for a fraud.  Those are observations.

[MarkE]

This is true enough,, you are making an observation and providing your opinion on that.  However, your use of logical fallacies needs to be qualified so as not to represent a fact,, but reflect that it is your opinion.

Show what logical fallacy or fallacies you claim that I employ.

Just because something has not been observed before, are you stating that then there is nothing new that can be observed?

Once again you are making an argument from ignorance. 

You have offered no evidence that supports Wayne Travis' free energy or alteration of the conservative nature of gravity claims.  Neither has anyone else.  We have voluminous evidence that supports the accepted position that gravity is conservative and none that opposes it.  You are certainly free to explore whatever you like.  You will never have an argument until you have evidence.  And that you do not have.

[minnie]

   Webby,
              what are your thoughts on where does the "bunch of free work" originate?
                                                           John.

[Pirate88179]

But I did find a bunch  of free work that could be done,, and I reported on that as well,, 90% lift and all that left inside is what I reported on,, actually it was better than that but TK decided to have an issue with my numbers,, so I backed down on what I measured, reasonable errors are reasonable,, so a 10% reduction in output to input to cover those errors.

You found "a bunch of free work"?  Where is it?  Have you demonstrated this free work?  Can you?

When you argue (or at least attempt to) with Mark you are always demanding that he show you that this will not work WHEN in fact, this is an open source free energy website and, as we all should know by now, those making these fantastic claims are the ones that need to prove what they claim is true.  Not the other way around as you so often attempt to try to do.

So, given your above quoted statement, where is the proof of this claim?  Videos?  Math?  Please do not ask poor Mark to prove (again and again) that this is not true....you need to prove that it is as it it YOU that made this claim.

I will be waiting but, I am not hopeful.  Your quoted statement will be on here forever.  You made it.  Now, back it up or admit that there is nothing here at all.  Otherwise, we can all draw our own conclusions about your claim.  Every one that reads this topic in the future can do this also.

So..."A bunch of free work."  Show it, explain it or please quit making claims that you can not back up.

Bill

***ETA*** The word please.