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Acoustic magnetic generator.

Started by synchro1, February 15, 2014, 06:07:02 PM

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MileHigh

I looked at the pdf:

You can't select text so I did a screen cap.  They claim an acoustic signal going through the magnet core will make the magnetic field oscillate and therefore you can get more output power.

Now supposing you are just an Ordinary Joe molecule inside the magnet with your valence electrons spinning nicely and contributing to the generation of the magnetic field.  The magnetic field is just parallel field lines as far as the eye can see.

Now what is the sound wave going to look like to the molecule?  It will "feel" like a slightly "tighter squeeze" with the neighbouring molecules for a brief second.  That's not going to affect the spinning valence electrons.  They will continue to spin in a plane that is perpendicular to the magnetic field.  None of that geometry will be affected by the sound waves.

Why people do these things is anybody's guess.  Perhaps there was a "project" in the 1990s with a backer, just a guess.

The conduction of sound waves directly through the core, or in the air around the core will no nothing to the magnetic field generated by the magnet.

All that being said, I know there will be push-back, and I cave.  I know it's not going to stop people from experimenting and I want them to experiment.  You have a golden opportunity here to test if the sound waves make a difference or not.  You can try variations with sound and without sound and see for yourself.  You have an opportunity to test for over unity, and to do a second test for the alleged "sound advantage."

MileHigh

TinselKoala

Quote from: synchro1 on February 16, 2014, 08:28:47 PM
@Tinselkoala,

Designate one of your magnet core bifilar coils as the primary. Attach one of your signal generator electrodes to one end of the primary coil, then attach the other end of the primary coil to the cathode of the piezo transducer. The other signal generator electrode attaches to the anode of the piezo transducer. The seconday bifilar wires to the bridge. This gives you the LC tank that Jimboot has wired to his toroid primary, and replicates the McClain/ Wootan Magnetic Resonance Amplifier or "MRA" circuit. Jimboot's hybrid version is a unique variety of an "MRA" due to his ferrite toroid core.
Are you having comprehension difficulties? This is exactly how I have my apparatus wired in the video, except for the addition of the LEDs. The schematic is included at the end of the video. Did you not watch that far?
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The way you have your transducer circuit wired now constitutes a version of the Davidson patent for the Acoustic Magnetic Generator or "AMG", with no LC tank.
That's right, since that is what this thread is supposed to be about, isn't it?
Except that the piezo acts like a capacitor, therefore there is indeed an "LC tank" involved.
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Again:

"The "MRA" is a series resonant LC circuit in which power gain is attainable as a result of the increase in effective impedance under certain operating conditions. When the series impedance increases, primary current is reduced. When the power available from the secondary coil either remains the same or increases as the primary circuit impedance increases, a power gain occurs".

And that is exactly what I have demonstrated, and that is exactly what Jimboot has demonstrated, and there is absolutely nothing unusual or even "special" about that because POWER IS NOT ENERGY.

QuoteThe other thing is; How do you know how many LED'S can be lit at the output end?
Because I  have made measurements. Have you? Let's see them.
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You might be able to illuminate an entire bank. I don't trust you to report an honest COP.

I don't believe you know what you are talking about, at least three quarters of the time. So I don't particularly care what you trust and what you don't, but I will call you every time I catch you making a bullshit statement like "no current flows in the primary" or that the iPhone isn't providing power to Jimboot's system. Remember this: I back up my statements with checkable outside references, facts, and demonstrations. What do you provide? Nothing but claims and speculation, and a lot of misinformation.

Here's a suggestion: measure the capacitance of your piezo element with a capacitance meter. Then remove your piezo from your circuit and replace it with an actual capacitor of the same value you measured. Then run your experiment again and report your results.

synchro1

@Tinselkoala,


You've been reported by me to the moderator for vulgar and abusive language. I hope Stephan demotes you to "Pink Comments". You deserve it with your level of conceited pomposity.


Furthermore; There's no "Transformable current" in the primary. There's no "Transformer" proportion between any so called primary current and secondary output; So there's veritably no appreciable transformer type of current there! That's to counter your "False Assertion" that Jimboot's MRA is merely a transformer.

FU,

Synchro


P.S. I see that you indeed did have your "MRA" wired correctly from your video schematic.

synchro1

@Milehigh,

Conradelektro's resonant tank experiments were very interesting and highly educational.

The resonant LC magnet core coil or "Synchro Coil", is a "Magnet Ringer" practically identical to Lasersaber's ferrite core "Joule Ringer". Wootan explains the maximum output is three octaves above the input frequency. The piezo transducer acts as a good test device to determine the "Magnetic Resonant Frequency" for a specific magnet core. Barrium ferrite magnets have been suggested as superior to neo's for this function, Floyd Sweet's choice for "Ringing" with reported COP'S of 1:3,000,000. My tests have demonstrated an increased "Ringing" output with diametricly polarized neos, primarily due to the angle at which the magnet fields cross the coil wraps.

The "Magnetic Resonant Frequency" should differ with each individual magnet core. Once determined, a coil can be fashioned and a capacitor matched to "Ring" the magnet at an ideal rotor speed. This should help solve the positioning problem.     

TinselKoala

You should be reported for making false claims and harassing people who want to know the truth. You have made no measurements for your assertions about the current in the primary, and you have insulted me greatly in the past, and in this thread as well.

Measurement of current in the primary of my device which is wired just as the Keelynet diagram shows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYR9LqzY7VU


The piezo I am using measures 40 nF when measured on a capacitance meter.

EDIT: Make that 35-40 nF, and also please note that the currents cited in the video should be divided by 10 to get the true value-- I was reading the wrong scale on the attenuator knob, since my current probe system is a 1x system.