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Overunity Machines Forum



Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2

Started by Floor, February 17, 2014, 01:53:56 PM

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Floor

@Lumen

more data, more good

                   floor

lumen

Collecting data can be helpful but I'm wondering about the math.
Because magnets are not a linear force is it reasonable to assume that using a linear calculation like averaging is in fact accurate.

It just seems that finding results of 12% and then 13.5% for a calculation that should in fact be equal ( 0% OU), appears it could be an error in the math process.
Is there anyone good at math that can verify the data indicates an actual gain?

Floor

CORRECTIONS

In reference to my last published measurement sets...

I have stated that RO is 173 % greater than SL ... a transposition error, a miswording and WRONG.
I have stated that SL is 173 % greater than RO... a  miss-wording error and WRONG.
Neither was correct.

rather
SL was 173 % of RO
     and
SL was 73 % greater than RO
                        floor

Floor

@ Lumen

QUOTE FROM Lumen
"appears it could be an error in the math process. Is there anyone good at math that
can verify the data indicates an actual gain?"  END QUOTE

I proceeded by measuring mm of fall and grams of weight. with no conversions
to joules.  The RATIOS of the (products of RO) to the (products of SL) will be the same
as the ratios of a conversion to (joules RO) to (joules SL).

Example 1...  A x B   is to  C x D  has the same ratio as  (A x B) x F is to  (C x D) x F.

In my last presented  measurement sets.  I dived the products of
force and displacement (work RO) by 2... but also I dived the products
of force and displacement (work SL)  by 2. Doesn't change a thing
in terms of the ratio of work in to work out, but is does misstate both
the work in and the work out by 1/2.
..............................
Work = force times displacement
           specifically
Joules of work = newtons of force times meters of displacement.
..............................
Your motions that are rotational, can be translated into
their linear equivalents.  Lots of math, but simple math.
.......................
Each of your (little measurements) of force times displacement is a
complete statement of work done. 

The totals for all of the little RO works done is simply the total
work done on RO.

The totals for all of the little linear SL works done is simply the total
work done on SL.

Averaging isn't  the way I proceeded,  but do it your own way.
............................
I really don't mind and even appreciate it if others correct  my errors.  I very much so
oppose it when this become a put down game.

I think we need to check each others work / math / methods and so on,
and to simply discuss it   No big deal..

              regards
                       Floor

Floor

@ Lumen

   some observations

In your photo of your RO setup..

It looks like you have to re-position the force gauge after
every  degree or two of rotation ?  this could account for
an apparent OU result ?

A rack and pinon gear would translate the rotational
to a linear motion with a consistant margin of error ?

or a nodding donky set up and a PULLING force measurement
could be used... but then chain / or string,  stretch could become
problematic ?


       regards
        floor