Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2

[shylo]

Or just use the moving magnets to influence coils that charge caps ,and then dump the caps to get by the sticky spot.
I don't think anything is impossible.
artv

I'm not trying to be a party killer here, but feel that I need to input some realism 


Norman, you are right about your observations of magnets. These observations are the same for everyone, and magnets does not change how they work depending of how a person wants them to work. Magnets are magnets, and they give a damn about the engineer who have a vision of perpetual motion or excess energy from permanent magnets. No discredit to Floor - because curiosity and engineering moves the world forward, but also creates proves of failures so we don't repeat them over and over again.


However, to avoid the sticky spot, you also take away the pulling force that pulls the magnets together - to do work. The sticky spot must be there until it's not needed, and that's what happening in an electric motor. Except the electric motor change the polarity on one of the magnets so the magnets are repelling eachother when passing the sticky spot. But, I'm sure you already knew that.
How in h... is it possible to change the magnetism at the sticky spot without actually spending energy to remove the magnet from it, or twist the polarity into repulsion? The answer is pretty much given. It's not possible.


Vidar

[norman6538]

Right on Floor. Its getting very clear now.
I'm still not clear on how that twist does work and then gets reset...
I'll work more at understanding that.
Norman

@Norman6538

following your suggestions... clarifying and correcting the texts

                        Magnets .......   C  A  E  B  D

When the mid magnets (A, B) have been removed from between the outer magnets (C, D)
             (this can be done, with out doing work against magnetic forces from magnets A,B
               and / or magnets C,D)

the inner magnet (E) is compelled by magnetic forces to rotate
                  (both the attracting and the repelling forces between magnets (C, D) and magnet (E)
                     are combined to do work (output) as rotation of magnet (E) by 180 degrees).

After this 180 degree rotation, the mid magnets (A, B) can be returned to their first position of,
in between the inner (E) and outer magnets (C, D).
        (as before, this can be done, with out doing work against magnetic forces from magnets A,B
         and / or magnets C,D ).

With the mid magnets (A, B) returned to their position of between the outer magnets (C,D)and the inner magnet (E), the inner magnet (E) is free from  ALL magnetic forces which would compel it to      rotate.
       (the inner magnet (E) can now be manually rotated 180 degrees with out doing work against
             magnetic forces from magnets A,B  and / or magnets C,D ).

                           C  A  E  B  D

             Thanks Norman your observation are appreciated.
                              floor

[norman6538]

As I was going to sleep I got it Floor.
my labels will be mags 1-5 left to right.
r = repel a = attract and NS north south poles.

1(NS) r 2(SN) a 3(SN) r 4(NS) a 5(NS)
then 2 and 4 drop down leaving 3 like this

1(NS) r               3(SN)             r 5(NS)

so 3 will twist from the 2 r repel forces on both sides BUT
notice the further weaker problem.......

then we have


1(NS) a               3(NS)             a 5(NS)

and we lift/push 2,4 back in place giving


1(NS) r 2(SN) r 3(NS) a 4(NS) a 5(NS)

so we can fully reset 3 with a twist and be ready for
another cycle...

VERY  CLEVER BUT FURTHER WEAKER is the gotcha...

The real story will be in the measurements which must include
the work required for the 2/4 drop and lift back and the 1 twist to reset.

Norman

[Floor]

More .............

Please find the 4 attached png files

              floor

[Low-Q]

Or just use the moving magnets to influence coils that charge caps ,and then dump the caps to get by the sticky spot.
I don't think anything is impossible.
artv

You can charge capacitors using magnets and coils. In general a generator that deliver energy into capacitors. The energy needed to do this is given from the capacitance and the voltage. Considering the resistance in the coil, the loss from eddy currents, and magnetic hysteresis, you must add more energ to the rotor, than the energy you put into the capacitor. This loss due to complexity into the system will lower the efficiency compared to not using capacitors at all.


@Floor
You are right about the topic. No need to counter fight the ideas. I will stop doing that now, and whish you good luck instead ;-)
I would however strongly recommend that you build it to see how it really works. Theories remains theories as long they are not tested in real life. Only then you can accept the theory as right or false.


Vidar