VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...

[MileHigh]

Let me ask you, what is the significance of the torus shape?  Assuming that you are talking about the shape of the "wire weave" that forms an air-filled vortex coil my answer would be that there is no significance to the torus shape.

To respond to your points.  These vortex coils can't do anything that a regular coil can't do.  They are actually somewhat inferior to regular coils because it takes more wire and hence there is more series resistance as compared to a regular coil for the same amount of inductance.  They also occupy a larger volume than a regular coil would for the same amount of inductance.  They also would likely have much more parasitic capacitance than regular coils and that's not a good thing.

The explanation for the high voltage out can be stated in many ways, and it's possible Daniel Nunez and Marko Rodin would not understand some of them.  Have you asked Daniel Nunez where the high voltage comes from?  If you did you can give me his answer after I reply.

Before I reply I have a question:

When you say "1-1 basis" let me ask you what you mean first because you are using non-standard terminology.  Are you talking about a vortex coil wound with two wires at the same time so the two form a 1:1 air transformer?  A.k.a. a "true bifilar" coil?  Or do you mean compare a regular coil and a vortex coil "one on one?"  In other words compare the two types of coils side by side?

Also, what is the experimental setup?

Thanks,

MileHigh

[Magluvin]

If it is a 1 to 1 ratio, same number of turns, same size wire, for the primary and secondary, while the input is an AC sine wave, producing an output AC sine wave at a higher voltage than the input, then I would like to see an example of a couple of identical pre-wound coils from radio shack do that. I doubt it can be shown.

Nice idea by the way.

Mags

[MileHigh]

Electronix Hive:

I see that you withdrew your questions.  I believe that it's possible that you were unaware of the issues I raised.  The thing is that we can't let ourselves get bamboozled by others, especially when there is no merit to what they are stating.  A "vortex" coil is a form of electronics quackery, all the more so when people make unsubstantiated claims about it.

MileHigh

[MarkE]

If it is a 1 to 1 ratio, same number of turns, same size wire, for the primary and secondary, while the input is an AC sine wave, producing an output AC sine wave at a higher voltage than the input, then I would like to see an example of a couple of identical pre-wound coils from radio shack do that. I doubt it can be shown.

Nice idea by the way.

Mags

At the modest frequencies that the proponents of these complicated windings have used them, (10's of kHz) much simpler windings with the addition of a handful of discrete parts will behave virtually identically:  equivalent leakage inductors, parasitic capacitors and additional series resistors.  Differences aren't going to start showing up until driving these devices with signals where the electrical path is more than about lambda / 20.  If the coil is one foot across, a rough estimate is that they can be readily emulated with much simpler coils and discrete parts past 10MHz.

[Magluvin]

Hey Electronix

Can you give us some specs of freq, volts in and out from your test on the previous page. Thanks

Mags