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An interesting experiment in electrolysis

Started by vineet_kiran, March 10, 2014, 06:46:56 AM

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Newton II

Quote from: MarkE on March 11, 2014, 09:02:29 AM
If only charges moving inside metal conductors gave rise to magnetic fields then there would be no such thing as radio.


Can you please elaborate it?  Is there any charged body in radio which moves as a whole?


vineet_kiran

Quote from: Newton II on March 11, 2014, 08:41:16 AM

"However, when an electret is moved with respect to a magnetic pole, a force is felt which acts perpendicular to the magnetic field, pushing the electret along a path 90 degrees to the expected direction of 'push' as would be felt with another magnet"


It will also lead to another interesting consequence.

Fix one strong magnet at the bottom of a glass tube with only North pole facing up. Drop an electret from the top of the tube.  When electret falls down it will be in motion hence produces a magnetic field.  When it comes close to the bottom fixed magnet, it will be repelled by the magnet in upward direction.  The repelled electret cannot move upwards indefinitely hence it stops at some point thereby loosing its magnetic field.  When it loses its magnetic field, it will not be repelled by bottom magnet.  Hence it falls again only to get repelled again!

So, you have a ever bumping electret!!!


Newton II

Quote from: vineet_kiran on March 11, 2014, 10:07:30 AM

So, you have a ever bumping electret!!!



Don't get excited!   It will become ever bumping electret only if repulsion takes the electret to a higher height than the initial fall or atleast to the same height of initial fall.   But practically it will not happen.  With every repulsion the height of fall reduces and finally the electret comes to rest on the bottom magnet.   A resting electret will not produce magnetic field.  So no repulsion.

So,  you will not have a ever bum-ping electret!!!


vineet_kiran

Quote from: Newton II on March 11, 2014, 11:27:55 AM

So,  you will not have a ever bum-ping electret!!!


Forget about bum-pinging electret!   Suppose if you suspend the electret like a pendulam above a fixed permanent magnet at the bottom and set the pendulam electret in motion, where it will stop?  Because when it moves towards its equilibrium position at centre,  it will be repelled by the bottom magnet.  An oscillating pendulam will also not rise to a greater height unless it describes a very wild swing.


profitis

yes @kiran many questions need answering with regard to electrostatic electrolysis.since i know for a fact that karpen devices can cycle gases and electric charge down electrostatic contact potential gradients then im certain that theres ways to split water electrostaticly too.for example,lets take a piece of gold and a piece platinum in electrolyte under vacuum(no oxygen present) and contact them together> there will now be a charge deficit on one piece and excess on the other piece which has to induce some electrolysis,probably very little due to small contact potential difference but some indeed.we simply de-contact the two pieces and wait for re-establishment of equilibrium before re-contacting them again for another electrolysis burst.substances that have much larger contact potential differences should liberate more gases but will have to be totaly corrosion resistant.