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Overunity Machines Forum



Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile

Started by Omnibus, August 25, 2006, 02:04:42 PM

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Finsrud insists that due to the proper suspensions the motion of the steel ball is causing various favorable vibrations which cause the device in want of a stop never to find that stop. The importance of these additional vibrations caused by the ball, however, isn't clear to me and at this moment I think that it is only a redundancy. This is only a hunch, however, and until I carry out my own replication I wouldn't know.

Finsrud insisted that due to the mentioned vibrations the track in front of the ball is always lower which is what really makes the ball move. However, you will see in the video which I took that this lowering of the track is almost indiscernable and the shift of the track caused by the ball is less that 1mm. This depression of the track is expected anyway from the mass of the ball which is almost 1kg. As I said before, the propelling of the ball seems to be caused by something else which is what is clever about Finsrud's device and is being copied by others such as Torbay -- the disbalance of the attraction when ball approaches the horse-shoe magnet versus the attraction when the ball passes the horse-shoe magnet. This disbalance is ensured by the clever way of retracting the magnets due to the very motion of the ball. The additional smaller magnets also have their role, as I explained earlier.

Of course, all this has to be replicated right away which may not be an easy task in view of the very demanding requirements for tuning up the device. Everything has to be benign, the magnets have to have just the right induction and by no means the goal should be to place monstrous neodymium magnets. The right characteristics and time constants of the pendulums are to be sought so that a perfect timing conditions can be achieved and so on. Otherwise, the actual making of the device doesn't seem to be too complicated but the tweaking would be crucial and requires a lot of patience.

He said that even he had had problems sometimes with starting the device. He said that recently people were coming to see it and he just hadn't been able to start it. He wasn't sure it will work when I arrived there. Luckily, however, he was able to start it at around 12:00 and it was working until the gallery closed at five. When I arrived the next day it was still working and he was able to tell by the pitch of the sound that it was healthy and will continue running. When I arrived the third day he said that it had stopped but when he opened the security door it turned out it is actually running, although it didn't sound to him as healthy as it should. He thought it will soon stop running but in fact it ran the whole time I was there.

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I should also mention one important aspect which Finsrud couldn't emphasize more -- the need to construct three rather than two-dimensional models of perpetual motion devices. He showed me various models of well-known non-working devices which he had tried to extend into a third dimension. A peculiar three-dimensional device is also the motor we are discussing here and which is the only working device which he has made (nothing else is needed). Indeed, the activity of the device includes not only running of a ball in the xy-plane but also a motion (of the horse-shoe magnets) along the z-axis. In his opinion the gallery of the non-working devices is full of such devices because they have always been thought of as two-dimensional and not three-dimensional such.

Omnibus

Has anyone heard of the initial construction of the Diesel engine? Finsrud looked in his files to show it to me but couldn't find it. This invention has been a perpetual motion, he says, but certain business interests have suppressed it. Does anyone know more about it?

hartiberlin

I was told, that in the footer
are just repelling magnet plates, which
just one plate is fixed to the stand and
the other is fixed to the upper device, so
it is always titling to the side and goes
back and forth titling and never finds
an equilibrium place.... so with the additional
upper devices, the device always moves.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

Omnibus

Stefan, as I mentioned Finsrud very much emphasizes on the magnets you talk about, placed inside the base. These he considers the major components and his major achievement and is what he considers the functioning of the device is based on. He even made a special experiment with 12 ring magnets, demonstrating the principle. I have a video of that experiment as well. I?m, however, not so sure about that, that is, I?m not sure that these bottom magnets are at the basis of the machine?s functioning. As a matter of fact, I found out that he wasn?t too happy when I was asking him to explain more about these bottom magnets and how they are positioned. He seems to consider that his secret and wouldn?t divulge too much on that matter. As a matter of fact, it is exactly that part of the construction that gives the sceptics the most room for non-acceptance only because it cannot be seen what?s enclosed there.

As far as tilting goes, you will see from the video I?ll post how slight it is ? less than a millimeter. The lowering of the track indeed seems to appear ahead of the ball but I?m not sure this is the main reason for the motion of the ball. One would expect such depression of the track anyway. We are dealing with a steel ball of almost 1kg weight. It seems more likely to me that the general principles (dangling carrot in front of the donkey; cat chasing its tail) which we discussed at length with regard to Torbay?s and other motors are in fact responsible for the observed perpetuum mobile effect here. Obviously, Finsrud is the pioneer in this and everyone such as Torbay, for instance, are just building on these principles.